Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] Re : QCI to Diffserv mapping
Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> Thu, 18 July 2019 09:35 UTC
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Subject: Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] Re : QCI to Diffserv mapping
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Lionel, Magnus, I do not think I have seen any follow up on this. Lionel, please confirm whether you have a draft agenda for the meeting on Monday (beyond this topic). Magnus, per my email below, could you please secure a room for us for Monday lunch? Cheers, Gonzalo On 04-Jul-19 10:14, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Thanks, Lionel! > > Magnus, with the information below, do you need anything else at this point? > > Regarding the coordination meeting in Montreal, Magnus can probably get > us a room with a conference bridge (or we can use a laptop, as I think > we did last time). Our traditional slot for that is Monday lunch. > > By the way, do you have a draft agenda for the coordination meeting, in > addition to this topic? > > Cheers, > > Gonzalo > > On 04-Jul-19 01:40, lionel.morand@orange.com wrote: >> Hi Gonzalo, Martin, >> >> We have discussed this point with Georg. According to the purpose of the >> draft and early reaction of 3GPP folks, it appears that there is >> currently no requirement for such mapping done in IETF. >> >> The QCI/DSCP mapping is only for information, as the final mapping will >> be nyvow decided by network operators, based on the QCI values but also >> on other criteria defined by the operators. >> >> Moreover, if you look at the 3GPP TS 23.203 specification across >> releases, you will see that the new QCI values are continuously defined >> by 3GPP depending on new use cases. For instance, there is an ongoing >> didcussion to create additional values. So having a document defining >> the mapping at the IETF side would seem not relevant as the RFC, even if >> informational, could be already obsolete when published. >> >> There might be a need to have an update version of the mapping but, if >> deemed required, interested parties should bring such a material in >> 3GPP, to allow maintaining up to date the document. >> >> According that there is no specific requirement from 3GPP and an IETF >> RFC, even information would be quite useless, 3GPP would be reluctant to >> see any recommendation on the QCI/DSCP mapping provided in a IETF >> document that would not be under the 3GPP control. >> >> Now, from an IETF point of view, if there is a strong push for such a >> document, except the natural push from the authors, it would be up to >> IETF to decide what to do in this area. If it is decided to move >> forward, it should be made clear in the document that the proposed >> mapping is only for information, not a recommendation, given as example. >> It should also be highlighted that the QCI values listed in the document >> may not be up to date. >> >> I hope that the feedback is clear. >> Anyhow, it will be useful to discuss this point in our coordination >> meeting. Unfortunately, I will not be in Montreal but, if we could set >> up an audio bridge as last time, it would be great. >> >> Regards, >> >> Lionel >> >> >> -------- Message original -------- >> Objet : Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv mapping >> De : "DOLLY, MARTIN C" >> À : Gonzalo Camarillo >> Cc : MORAND Lionel TGI/OLN ,Magnus Westerlund >> ,3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org,tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org,vshaikh@perspectalabs.com,sdas@perspectalabs.com >> >> Greetings >> >> The NS/EP service in the USA has major issues w this draft that >> is against efforts we standardized in 3GPP and ATIS >> >> We commented on the list and communicated w author, little changes >> >> If this became a 3GPP dependency, we and the others would have >> sustained objections >> >> Thanks >> >> Martin C. Dolly >> >> Lead Member of Technical Staff >> >> Government & Services Standards >> >> AT&T >> >> Cell: +1.609.903.3360 >> >> Email: md3135@att.com <mailto:md3135@att.com> >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo >> <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com >> <mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Lionel, >> >> did you reach any conclusion? In particular, I would like to >> understand >> whether we need to organize the traditional 3GPP-IETF >> coordination >> meeting on the Monday of the upcoming IETF meeting in >> Montreal to >> discuss this or other issues. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gonzalo >> >> On 02-Jul-19 13:11, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> >> Hi Lionel, >> >> >> yes, exactly; knowing 3GPP's position on this would be >> very helpful in >> >> order to decide on next steps. Please, let us know after >> you touch base >> >> with Georg later today. Thanks. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Gonzalo >> >> >> On 02-Jul-19 11:58, lionel.morand@orange.com >> <mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Gonzalo, >> >> >> We will discuss this point with Georg today during >> an 3GPP internal coordination meeting. >> >> On the tsvwg mailing list, I think that the >> conclusion was to set up a discussion at the next >> IETF meeting to see what could be done in this area. >> >> Honestly, I'm not sure that such a work would be >> useful if not supported by 3GPP. So if anything is >> finally done, it could only be for information. >> >> >> Coming back to you later. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Lionel >> >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> >> De : Gonzalo Camarillo >> [mailto:Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com] >> >> Envoyé : vendredi 28 juin 2019 16:09 >> >> À : MORAND Lionel TGI/OLN; Magnus Westerlund; >> 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> >> >> Cc : tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org >> <mailto:tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org> >> >> Objet : Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to Diffserv >> mapping >> >> >> Hi Lionel, >> >> >> I have not seen any follow up on this issue >> during this month (see >> >> below). What is the current status? Thanks. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Gonzalo >> >> >> On 29-May-19 12:37, lionel.morand@orange.com >> <mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> I have seen the ongoing discussion on this >> topic. >> >> I will send soon an email clarifying the >> current 3GPP position on this topic. >> >> It is important that any work on the QCI >> mapping is aligned with real 3GPP >> >> requirements. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Lionel >> >> >> -----Message d'origine----- >> >> De : 3gpp-ietf-coord >> [mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord-bounces@ietf.org] De >> la >> >> part >> >> de Magnus Westerlund >> >> Envoyé : mercredi 29 mai 2019 11:09 >> >> À : 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> >> >> Cc : tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org >> <mailto:tsvwg-chairs@ietf.org> >> >> Objet : [3gpp-ietf-coord] QCI to >> Diffserv mapping >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> A topic that may require coordination >> between 3GPP and IETF is this >> >> individual proposal >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dhenry-2Dtsvwg-2Ddiffserv-2Dto-2Dqci_&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc-ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkTAVPAgFzc3jf6cvGf6x0g&s=XunaN7YxIvVUKNlYB0LFqWpZkcOVXTV8rK7BUaJlvyo&e= >> >> >> It has been presented once in TSVWG >> before, when questions where >> >> raised >> >> about the relation to 3GPP. I haven't >> seen any good answer to this >> >> question. Also the authors have updated >> the draft and that has resulted >> >> in some additional discussion in this >> thread: >> >> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__mailarchive.ietf.org_arch_msg_tsvwg_r3jAeNPcz83K0nFyQD4yObJkC-2D&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc-ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkTAVPAgFzc3jf6cvGf6x0g&s=fzf5xDu0zA-11_7wZOZws5A-XtDJHPg8MX6T3brLff4&e= >> >> A >> >> >> So far no decision has been made if this >> should be adopted or not, but I >> >> would not be surprised if the TSVWG >> Chairs and I (as TSV AD) do get the >> >> question about adoption. >> >> >> Input from a 3GPP perspective would be >> appreciated on this document. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> Magnus Westerlund >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Network Architecture & Protocols, >> Ericsson Research >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 >> 10 7148287 >> >> Torshamnsgatan 23 | Mobile +46 >> 73 0949079 >> >> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: >> >> magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >> <mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> 3gpp-ietf-coord mailing list >> >> 3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org >> <mailto:3gpp-ietf-coord@ietf.org> >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_3gpp-2Dietf-2Dcoord&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=OV4zFc-ZgJ46PZ4x9UvfXkTAVPAgFzc3jf6cvGf6x0g&s=q_X_5XSzZyoEnIX3EI0K5efyl4wkwj-xENnr264Zij8&e= >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent >> contenir des informations >> >> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans >> autorisation. 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