Re: [3gpp-ietf-coord] IETF - 3GPP coordination meeting at IETF 116

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Charles and Lionel,

I wouldn't think of suggesting this as a topic for a meeting that starts in
less than 15 minutes, but I do wonder if is possible to imagine (in 2023)
some way for our two organizations to communicate, cooperate, and
collaborate, in a way that is

   - *more formal* than telling participants in each organization that they
   should also participate in the other organization, and seeing what happens,
   but
   - *less formal* than sending liaisons between the two organizations,
   which the IETF can send and respond to with e-mail approval, but 3GPP
   cannot, only agreeing to send and reply to liaisons at TSG meetings.

To be clear, I'm not asking about a *change *to these two primary ways of
coordination. I'm asking about introducing a third way of coordination.

It might be that neither organization is ready for that, but it *IS *2023,
so I thought I'd ask. If RFC 3113
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3113>is still the governing
document for our relationship, it was published in 2001. A lot of things
have changed since then, and even if RFC 3113 was perfect in 2001, perhaps
we can do better on this specific point.

As I said, I'm not proposing this as a topic for discussion today, but
perhaps this mailing list is an appropriate place to share thoughts between
now and IETF 117.

Best,

Spencer

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 7:25 PM Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <eckelcu=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We have updated the agenda as follows:
>
>    - Round table
>    - Ongoing LS
>       - Response to 3GPP SA2 LS on 3GPP 5G System acting as a
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1816/>DetNet
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1816/> node
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1816/>
>       - LS on need for modeling
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1818/>isInvariant
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1818/> and
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1818/>SystemCreated
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1818/> in YANG
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1818/>
>       - Updated LS to 3GPP regarding SCTP-AUTH and DTLS
>       <https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1806/>
>       - Improving the handling of LS exchanged between IETF and 3GPP
>    - Ongoing IANA action
>    - Status of the 3GPP-IETF dependencies
>    - 3GPP Release Roadmap (informational)
>    - AoB
>
>
> Attached are slides to aid our discussion. We look forward to seeing
> everyone tomorrow.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/agenda?filters=ietf-3gpp-coordination
>
> Cheers,
> Charles and Lionel
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2023, at 7:05 AM, Charles Eckel (eckelcu) <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> We will have an IETF - 3GPP coordination meeting at IETF 116 on Tuesday
> during the lunch break (11:30 - 13:00).
> For those attending in person, we will be meeting in G318
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/floor-plan?room=g318> (3rd
> floor). Lunch will be provided.
> Those attending remotely can join via Webex. Sorry, but no time zone
> appropriate meal provided in this scenario.
>
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/agenda?filters=ietf-3gpp-coordination
>
> The currently planned agenda for our meeting is as follows:
>
>    - Roundtable discussion
>    - Status of the 3GPP-IETF dependencies
>    - Ongoing IANA action
>    - Incoming/Outgoing LSs
>    - AoB
>
> Please feel free to suggest additional agenda items.
> We look forward to meeting with you during IETF 116.
>
> Cheers,
> Charles and Lionel
>
>
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