Re: [5gangip] Network tokens draft

[Tom Herbert <[e-mail]>]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:19 AM Alexandre Petrescu
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Le 10/07/2020 à 16:44, Tom Herbert a écrit :
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:40 AM Behcet Sarikaya
> > <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> It has already been announced that this list is no longer dealing
> >> with 5G issues. We decided to move to 6g, please check recent
> >> mails.
> >>
> >> As such your topic is no longer of interest and we invite you to
> >> join us into the new and exciting area of 6G.
> >>
> >
> > Very well, if people are interested in further discussion please
> > post on the Network-tokens list.
>
> Or we can think that any new proposed technology could fall under the
> ummbrella of 6G rather than that of 5G.  Because 5G is no longer under
> development, I think.
>
> By the way, if I wanted to implement a network token concept I would
> consider the use of existing Flow Labels field in the IPv6 header.  A
> flow label would contain a mapped value of a token.
>
> If I wanted a Network Token to be for an endpoint on a 6G link, then I
> would look at what is the 6G link access method of the PHY of the UE.
> MAybe that link access method (an *-MA method, a Multiple Access method,
> like in CDMA, OFDMA, SCDMA, etc.) could use a Network Token.
>
> And then, maybe putting IP on that 6G link would need a mapping between
> a Flow Label and a network token in the *-MA method.
>

Alex,

It's an interesting question. Maybe post the question to
Network-tokens and cross post to 6G list, I don't think anyone would
complain.

Tom

> Alex
>
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> Behcet
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:28 AM Tom Herbert <[e-mail]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:10 AM John Grant <[e-mail]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This adds even more per-packet processing and makes headers
> >>>> even bigger. In ETSI ISG NIN
> >>>> https://www.etsi.org/technologies/non-ip-networking we're
> >>>> working on reducing them, as mobile operators (and no doubt
> >>>> others) want, by getting all this information into the control
> >>>> plane where it belongs.
> >>>>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>> Network tokens provide the API between an application on a UE and
> >>> the network for the application to specify exactly the service it
> >>> wants. At the first hop in the network, the device can compress
> >>> the headers, use MPLS, put into some non-IP format, whatever it
> >>> wants as long as the user gets the service they've requested and
> >>> correct protocol behavior is maintained. If the operator wants to
> >>> create a state for every single flow in their network that's
> >>> their prerogative, but good luck scaling that to hundreds of
> >>> billions of flows and getting it to work seamlessly across mobile
> >>> events-- the "connectionless" model of IP replaced
> >>> "circuit-switched" networks for good reason!
> >>>
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>>> -- John Grant Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England [phone]
> >>>> and [phone] http://www.ninetiles.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/07/2020 18:00, Tom Herbert wrote:
> >>>>> This is a draft on "Network Tokens" which is of relevance to
> >>>>> facilitate fine grained QoS in 5G networks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yiakoumis-network-tokens-01
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> There is also a mailing list in
> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/network-tokens
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are planning to present in tsvwg and app aware networking
> >>>>> and possibly have a side meeting on this topic in IETF108.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks, Tom
> >>>>>
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