Re: [5gangip] Network tokens draft

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:03 AM Yiannis Yiakoumis <
yiannis@selfienetworks.com> wrote:

> "In mobile, the the bearer is a bit of a virtual circuit.  Each UE has one
> or more bearers which are assigned an e2e qos policy.  Your cases for
> tokens would be stronger if you could show how tokens overcome a defined
> challenge that is not solved today.  It is important for credibility to
> demonstrate knowledge of the existing approach … otherwise the suggestion
> appears out of context"
>
> We are actually building a prototype that combines tokens with a dedicated
> bearer for an LTE network, and provides E2E QoS both at uplink and
> downlink. Implementation happens at https://github.com/network-tokens/ .
> Happy to share more details if you are interested.
>
>
> Y.
>

But why is this better than the existing bearer / pcrf model?

What problem are you solving that is novel or better than the existing
approach?

Just saying your model is a great is not helpful.

>
> =====================
> Yiannis Yiakoumis
> Co-Founder & CEO
> https://selfienetworks.com | +1-650-644-7857
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:35 AM, Yiannis Yiakoumis <
> yiannis@selfienetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> subscribed late and can't reply inline to follow-up comments. Short
>> response to Ca By's point on whether the network trusts the UE.
>>
>> "A fundamental principle of mobile qos is that you do not trust the UE, as
>> it can be compromised to make all traffic high priority. Only the network
>> can reliably and securely allocate resources based on policy."
>>
>> The basic architecture for network tokens is agnostic on the trust
>> relationships between UE, app provider, network and server. It provides
>> mechanisms to encrypt/sign a token, and metadata to prevent replay and
>> spoofing attacks so that operators can adjust it to the appropriate trust
>> model. It borrows a lot from the ideas implemented in JWT, CWT and OAUTH2.
>>
>> Yiannis
>>
>>
>>
>> =====================
>> Yiannis Yiakoumis
>> Co-Founder & CEO
>> https://selfienetworks.com | +1-650-644-7857
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 10:00 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a draft on "Network Tokens" which is of relevance to facilitate
>>> fine grained QoS in 5G networks.
>>>
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yiakoumis-network-tokens-01
>>>
>>> There is also a mailing list in
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/network-tokens
>>>
>>> We are planning to present in tsvwg and app aware networking and
>>> possibly have a side meeting on this topic in IETF108.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
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