Subject: Re: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G
From: Jon Crowcroft <[email-masked]>
To: "David S. Misell MSc MIET MBCS CISSP" <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked], Jennifer Dean <[email-masked]>, Dr Sally Leivesley <[email-masked]>, Rick Chandler <[email-masked]>, Chiara Rustici <[email-masked]>, Dai Davis <[email-masked]>, [email-masked], [email-masked], 5GANGIP <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:27:37 +0000
List-Id: "Discussion of implications of the upcoming 5th Generation \(fixed and\) Mobile communication systems on IP protocols." <5gangip.ietf.org>

see also
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3058945

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 4:57 PM, David S. Misell MSc MIET MBCS CISSP <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Steven, Rick,
> Sally commented on security in the european context on radio 4 today, I
> see a derogation for this !
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> David S. Misell MBCS MIET CISSP
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> On 17 Feb 2018, at 12:11, Dr Stephen P CASTELL <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> My wish list: *(Mobile) Blockchain and GDPR – how can blockchain ever be
> compliant with Art 17 GDPR, when its permanence and immutability is its key
> ‘thing’?*
>
>
>
> http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/article-17-right-to-
> erasure-'right-to-be-forgotten'-GDPR.htm
>
> *"Right to erasure ('right to be forgotten')" ... (e) the personal data
> have to be erased for compliance with a legal obligation in Union or Member
> State law to which the controller is subject;*
>
>
>
> https://hackernoon.com/forever-on-the-chain-c755838dfc79
>
> https://bitsonblocks.net/2016/02/29/a-gentle-introduction-
> to-immutability-of-blockchains/
>
> https://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-immutability-myth/
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/yec/2017/05/04/debunking-
> blockchain-myths-and-how-they-will-impact-the-future-of-
> business/#583e1d815609
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stephen Castell.
>
>
>
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> *From:* D S Misell [mailto:[email-masked]
> <[email-masked]>]
> *Sent:* 16 February 2018 23:19
> *To:* Dr Stephen P CASTELL <[email-masked]>; Chiara
> Rustici <[email-masked]>; Dai Davis <[email-masked]>; Jennifer
> Dean <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* Rick Chandler <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Fwd: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G
>
>
>
> Legal posse, give your wish list to rick as CMA rep he will be at Mobile
> world congress next week.
>
> Yours Faithfully,
>
>
>
> David S. Misell MIET MBCS CISSP
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From: [email-masked]
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> *Subject: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G*
>
> *Date: *15 February 2018 at 09:37:33 GMT
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> *To: [email-masked]
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> *Cc: [email-masked]
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>
>
> Dear all,
>
> After some good discussion here on the list and some initial contact with
> IAB, we think it could be worth to spend more thoughts on the ID-Loc split
> topic of a mapping system providing end-to-end privacy of both Identities
> and Location of peers. The use cases are 5G related route optimization for
> changing (mobile) points of attachment of both end terminals (UE) and
> network function services (e.g. UPF) …
>
> Focus should be on concrete approaches which can be prototyped instead of
> pure theoretical (academic) discussions
>
> We think the work needs a problem statement draft, a comprehensive list of
> requirements, and a framework document showing the environment where the
> solution would fit in (w/o yet a complete solution space analysis) … in
> that priority.
>
> We solicit for a discussion on the list before we meet in London.
>
> In London, IETF 101, we plan on organizing a side-meeting where we could
> have a set of stimulating presentations.
>
> Topics we can imagine currently are
>
> - 5G lab trials.
>
> - Any initial work on the first deployment experience which potentially
> underline the identified problem.
>
> Volunteers are welcome – please  announce your proposal to Behcet and
> Dirk!
>
> Other ideas, proposal, comments? Please speak up!
>
> Thanks a lot and Best Regards – also on behalf of Behcet
>
> Dirk
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