Return-Path: X-Original-To: 5gangip@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 5gangip@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F240126D46 for <5gangip@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 04:11:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, T_HK_NAME_DR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id StxeRA4LjUCh for <5gangip@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 04:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp26.services.sfr.fr (smtp26.services.sfr.fr [93.17.128.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E591F126C23 for <5gangip@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 04:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from VAIOSPC (68.154.128.77.rev.sfr.net [77.128.154.68]) by msfrf2637.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 14F8B1C03E828 for <5gangip@ietf.org>; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:11:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from VAIOSPC (68.154.128.77.rev.sfr.net [77.128.154.68]) by msfrf2637.sfr.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:11:26 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: From: Dr Stephen P CASTELL To: 'D S Misell' , 'Chiara Rustici' , 'Dai Davis' , 'Jennifer Dean' Cc: 'Rick Chandler' , 5gangip@ietf.org, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de, behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com References: <2647a39882e5469da8592bb8db87254e@HE105831.emea1.cds.t-internal.com> <0E01ED94-E799-431A-8E86-C9D9A73BC9D2@icloud.com> In-Reply-To: <0E01ED94-E799-431A-8E86-C9D9A73BC9D2@icloud.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 13:11:07 +0100 Organization: Castell Consulting Message-ID: <001501d3a7e8$721b2830$56517890$@castellconsulting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AQFXU20F3TY1gc/BFpujgxIwIORuMwG+48IzpJJkKxA= X-sfr-mailing: LEGIT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01D3A7F0.D3E6BC20" Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 09:38:09 -0800 Subject: Re: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G X-BeenThere: 5gangip@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of implications of the upcoming 5th Generation \(fixed and\) Mobile communication systems on IP protocols." <5gangip.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 12:11:36 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D3A7F0.D3E6BC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick =20 My wish list: (Mobile) Blockchain and GDPR =E2=80=93 how can blockchain = ever be compliant with Art 17 GDPR, when its permanence and immutability = is its key =E2=80=98thing=E2=80=99? =20 http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/article-17-right-to-erasure-'right-to= -be-forgotten'-GDPR.htm "Right to erasure ('right to be forgotten')" ... (e) the personal data = have to be erased for compliance with a legal obligation in Union or = Member State law to which the controller is subject; =20 https://hackernoon.com/forever-on-the-chain-c755838dfc79 https://bitsonblocks.net/2016/02/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-immutability= -of-blockchains/ https://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-immutability-myth/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/yec/2017/05/04/debunking-blockchain-myths-an= d-how-they-will-impact-the-future-of-business/#583e1d815609 =20 Kind regards, Stephen Castell. =20 Dr Stephen Castell CITP CPhys FIMA MEWI MIoD Chairman, CASTELL Consulting PO Box 334, Witham, Essex CM8 3LP, UK Tel: +44 1621 891 776 Mob: +44 7831 349 162 Email: stephen@castellconsulting.com http://www.CastellConsulting.com = http://www.e-expertwitness.com =20 Crypto: the Millennials=E2=80=99 Rock=E2=80=99n=E2=80=99Roll =20 Committee Member, Programme Development & IT Professionalism, British = Computer Society Law Specialist Group = = http://www.bcs.org/category/10868 Accredited Member, Forensic Expert Witness Association, Los Angeles = Chapter Castell=E2=80=99s Dictum: =E2=80=9CYou cannot secure an ontologically = unreliable technology by use of an ontologically unreliable = technology=E2=80=9D. (1990) Castell=E2=80=99s Second Dictum: =E2=80=9CYou cannot construct an = algorithm that will reliably decide whether or not any algorithm is = ethical=E2=80=9D. (2017) =20 From: D S Misell [mailto:david.misell@icloud.com]=20 Sent: 16 February 2018 23:19 To: Dr Stephen P CASTELL ; Chiara Rustici = ; Dai Davis ; Jennifer Dean = Cc: Rick Chandler Subject: Fwd: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G =20 Legal posse, give your wish list to rick as CMA rep he will be at Mobile = world congress next week. Yours Faithfully, =20 David S. Misell MIET MBCS CISSP 0207 7239135 =20 http://linkedin.com/in/misell = =20 https://db.tt/ncfgMm3J https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo7rtdi59rzufln/misell_CV_Se17.docx =20 Begin forwarded message: =20 From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Subject: [5gangip] plans for future work on Id-Loc split for 5G Date: 15 February 2018 at 09:37:33 GMT To: 5gangip@ietf.org Cc: behcet.sarikaya@gmail.com =20 Dear all, After some good discussion here on the list and some initial contact = with IAB, we think it could be worth to spend more thoughts on the = ID-Loc split topic of a mapping system providing end-to-end privacy of = both Identities and Location of peers. The use cases are 5G related = route optimization for changing (mobile) points of attachment of both = end terminals (UE) and network function services (e.g. UPF) =E2=80=A6 Focus should be on concrete approaches which can be prototyped instead = of pure theoretical (academic) discussions We think the work needs a problem statement draft, a comprehensive list = of requirements, and a framework document showing the environment where = the solution would fit in (w/o yet a complete solution space analysis) = =E2=80=A6 in that priority. We solicit for a discussion on the list before we meet in London. In London, IETF 101, we plan on organizing a side-meeting where we could = have a set of stimulating presentations. Topics we can imagine currently are - 5G lab trials. - Any initial work on the first deployment experience which potentially = underline the identified problem. Volunteers are welcome =E2=80=93 please announce your proposal to = Behcet and Dirk!=20 Other ideas, proposal, comments? Please speak up! Thanks a lot and Best Regards =E2=80=93 also on behalf of Behcet Dirk _______________________________________________ 5gangip mailing list 5gangip@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/5gangip =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01D3A7F0.D3E6BC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rick

 

My wish list: (Mobile) Blockchain and GDPR =E2=80=93 how = can blockchain ever be compliant with Art 17 GDPR, when its permanence = and immutability is its key = =E2=80=98thing=E2=80=99?

 

http://www.privacy-regulation.eu/en/arti= cle-17-right-to-erasure-'right-to-be-forgotten'-GDPR.htm

"Right to erasure ('right to be forgotten')" ... = (e) the personal data have to be erased for compliance with a legal = obligation in Union or Member State law to which the controller is = subject;

 

https:/= /hackernoon.com/forever-on-the-chain-c755838dfc79

https://bitsonblocks.net/2016/02/29/a-gentle-in= troduction-to-immutability-of-blockchains/

https://w= ww.coindesk.com/blockchain-immutability-myth/

http= s://www.forbes.com/sites/yec/2017/05/04/debunking-blockchain-myths-and-ho= w-they-will-impact-the-future-of-business/#583e1d815609

 

Kind regards,

Stephen Castell.

 

Dr= Stephen Castell CITP CPhys FIMA MEWI MIoD

Ch= airman, CASTELL Consulting

PO= Box 334, Witham, Essex CM8 3LP, UK

Te= l: +44 1621 891 776        Mob: = +44 7831 349 162

Em= ail: ste= phen@castellconsulting.com

http://www.CastellConsulting.com=C2=A0= http://www.e-expertwitness.com

 

= Crypto: the Millennials=E2=80=99 = Rock=E2=80=99n=E2=80=99Roll

 

Com= mittee Member,&nb= sp;P= rogramme Development & IT Professionalism, British Computer = Society&= nbsp;L= aw Specialist Group

http://www.bcs.org/category/10868

Accredited Member, Forensic Expert Witness Association, = Los Angeles Chapter

C= astell=E2=80=99s Dictum: =E2=80=9CYou cannot secure an ontologically = unreliable technology by use of an ontologically unreliable = technology=E2=80=9D.=   (1990)

C= astell=E2=80=99s Second Dictum: =E2=80=9CYou cannot construct an = algorithm that will reliably decide whether or not any algorithm is = ethical=E2=80=9D.=   (2017)

 

From:<= /b> D S Misell = [mailto:david.misell@icloud.com]
Sent: 16 February 2018 = 23:19
To: Dr Stephen P CASTELL = <stephen@castellconsulting.com>; Chiara Rustici = <c.rustici@gmail.com>; Dai Davis <mail@daidavis.com>; = Jennifer Dean <jendean10@gmail.com>
Cc: Rick Chandler = <rick.chandler1@btinternet.com>
Subject: Fwd: [5gangip] = plans for future work on Id-Loc split for = 5G

 

Legal posse, = give your wish list to rick as CMA rep he will be at Mobile world = congress next = week.

 

Begin = forwarded message:

 

Subject: [5gangip] plans = for future work on Id-Loc split for = 5G

Date: 15 February 2018 at = 09:37:33 GMT

To: 5gangip@ietf.org<= o:p>

 

D= ear all,

A= fter some good discussion here on the list and some initial contact with = IAB, we think it could be worth to spend more thoughts on the ID-Loc = split topic of a mapping system providing end-to-end privacy of both = Identities and Location of peers. The use cases are 5G related route = optimization for changing (mobile) points of attachment of both end = terminals (UE) and network function services (e.g. UPF) = =E2=80=A6

F= ocus should be on concrete approaches which can be prototyped instead of = pure theoretical (academic) discussions

W= e think the work needs a problem statement draft, a comprehensive list = of requirements, and a framework document showing the environment where = the solution would fit in (w/o yet a complete solution space analysis) = =E2=80=A6 in that priority.

W= e solicit for a discussion on the list before we meet in = London.

I= n London, IETF 101, we plan on organizing a side-meeting where we could = have a set of stimulating = presentations.

T= opics we can imagine currently are

-=  5G lab trials.

-= Any initial work on the first deployment experience which = potentially underline the identified = problem.

V= olunteers are welcome =E2=80=93 please  announce your proposal to = Behcet and Dirk! 

O= ther ideas, proposal, comments? Please speak = up!

T= hanks a lot and Best Regards =E2=80=93 also on behalf of = Behcet

D= irk

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