Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)

Randall Gellens <> Sat, 24 March 2007 21:10 UTC

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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:10:43 -0700
To: John C Klensin <>,, "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo)" <>, Aaron Stone <>
From: Randall Gellens <>
Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)
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At 10:46 AM -0400 3/24/07, John C Klensin wrote:

>  I like the hotel and the staff and the facilities.  I mostly like 
> the city.   Under the right circumstances, I'd be delighted to come 
> back.

I agree.

>  I think there are issues about health and accessibility that 
> supercede _any_ other considerations of meeting site choices. In 
> order to have effective IETF meetings that are open to all 
> participants and contributors in the IETF, we must put 
> health-related criteria above all others.   If a country or city or 
> hotel does not, or cannot, provide an environment in which people 
> can attend a meeting for a week without the certainty of serious 
> and immediate health damage from the atmosphere (indoor or 
> outdoor), I will defend their right to make that decision, but the 
> IETF should not even consider meeting there.   If a facility and 
> city are not largely wheelchair-accessible, the IETF should not 
> even consider meeting there.  And so on (although I don't think the 
> list is very long).

Absolutely.  Very well put.  Thank you, John.

At 7:50 PM +0200 3/24/07, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo) wrote:

>  Though as an allergic person I'm very sympathetic to the requirements you
>  listed, I would like to give you a bit food for though: What is the standard
>  of air quality / health risk we should compare to? For instance, Europe has
>  banned gene manipulated food, and the use of growth hormones for domestic
>  animals because of health risks. Should we then avoid countries whose
>  standards are lesser because of health risks? What about outside air quality
>  and smog? And mercury levels in the locally available fish?

I see this along the lines John laid out: if the facilities pose a 
barrier to participation, that is a problem.  Longer-term potential 
risks are not an immediate threat.  This includes mercury or PCB 
contamination, radon levels in the building, etc.

At 12:44 PM -0700 3/24/07, Aaron Stone wrote:

>  So let's add one more: if the hotel is in a country that allows smoking
>  indoors, the hotel must arrange for a significant non-smoking portion of
>  the lobby to allow free movement of smoke-sensitive participants from
>  the front door to the registration to the conference rooms.

The problem with such approaches is that the smoke does not know to 
stay within the boundaries of an arbitrary-defined region.  Not even 
geopriv can help there, unfortunately.  Consider the oft-repeated 
no-peeing section in a swimming pool.

Randall Gellens
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