Re: [68ATTENDEES] Travel Fairness Doctrine

Nicolas Williams wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:50:08AM +0200, Fred Baker wrote:
>>                                                         That's not  
>> the objective. The objective is, as you say, fairness among those who  
>> already do.
> 
> The objective should be to maximize IETF participation from people who
> want to participate while being "fair."

Sorry I brought this thread up again.
I didn't intend to rehash the notion of fair.
IMO, micro-parsing it out into little costs and weighing them
is counter-productive.  Just getting a better mix of
non-North American venues would be fine, without micro-managing
how that should be done.

Andy

> 
> Current demographics shouldn't be weighed too heavily as IETF meetings
> might help stimulate broader participation from locals.
> 
> Holding an IETF meeting in an expensive city does not help, even if that
> city is near to many participants, unless there are no inexpensive
> cities near them.  Thus Prague is a much better location in continental
> Europe than Paris, for example (my food expenses in Prague pale by
> comparison to Paris).  Of course, transportation options should be part
> of the equation as well, so Paris may still be a better location than
> Prague (though airfare in Europe is quite reasonable nowadays).
> 
> And as you point out hotel options matter.  Many of us work late hours
> during IETF meetings, so being able to stay at the conference hotel
> matters (which means venue size and expense matters), and if that cannot
> be then late hour transportation and safety matters too.  (I did not
> stay at the conference venue hotel at Prague, but I was not far and
> could take the metro or walk and did not mind; others may not have
> enjoyed that as much as I did.)  I'm not sure where I'd rank Prague on
> that basis as I enjoyed late night walks there, but that's quite
> subjective; Minneapolis is certainly OK.
> 
> Nico

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