Re: [68ATTENDEES] standards track wireless network

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Tue, 27 March 2007 23:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] standards track wireless network
From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
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Hi,

Those documents already exist (both venue and network). I'm taking note
about the comments, as new items such as smoke-free considerations are
coming into the list, and plan to convert them to ION:

http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-network-requirements-00.tx
t
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria-0
4.txt

Regards,
Jordi




> De: Tony Hansen <tony@att.com>
> Responder a: <68attendees-bounces@ietf.org>
> Fecha: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:39:55 -0400
> Para: <68attendees@ietf.org>
> CC: "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo)" <Jonne.Soininen@nokia.com>
> Asunto: Re: [68ATTENDEES] standards track wireless network
> 
> Instead of making it an RFC, it seems perfect fodder for an ION.
> 
> Tony Hansen
> tony@att.com
> 
> Jim Martin wrote:
>>     Actually, this is just /mostly/ right :-)
>> 
>>     There is in fact a document regarding the modern network, but rather
>> than in ID format, it's a set of requirements. We (the volunteer crew)
>> developed this to aid in the process of generating an RFP for the
>> network contractor, and then later as a mechanism to help generate
>> quantifiable "scoring" during the evaluation of the resultant proposals.
>> 
>>     What we don't have is a document which takes those requirements and
>> adds in the hard-won best current practices. We've spoken of generating
>> this document many many times, but due to the considerations you've
>> mentioned, we've just never gotten to the actual /writing/ part.
>> 
>>     - Jim
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo) wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There used to be a document (which has not been updated) on the
>>> requirement
>>> of the "terminal room" for the IETF. The draft was mostly about the
>>> network
>>> anyways.
>>> 
>>> The updating of the document stopped, because the requirements where
>>> increasing faster than the people could type and the information in the
>>> document would have been out-dated before it reached RFC. Perhaps the
>>> requirements have become more stable and writing the document might be
>>> possible.
>>> 
>>> In addition, there is another difficulty to write the document: Some
>>> of the
>>> requirements are not easily documentable in portable format. For
>>> instance,
>>> the WLAN network requirements should say that you should forget
>>> everything
>>> you have learned about setting up WLAN networks and ask the people who
>>> has
>>> done this before what actually works and what doesn't in this kind of
>>> environment. Though, it is useful in IETF context, it might not be that
>>> useful outside of it.
>>> 
>>> I think the main reason for not documenting the networking experiences is
>>> actually time. People are pretty burned out after the meeting. Even they
>>> have said before the meeting that they will document everything, after
>>> the
>>> meeting the this promise is often forgotten (been there, done that).
>>> 
>>> These are no excuses not to do the documentation. Somebody just has to
>>> write
>>> it... ;)
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Jonne.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/26/07 4:39 PM, "ext Michael Richardson" <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> At one point, the IETF NOC teams were going to write up their
>> experiences.  It would be lovely if the Python (or other conferences)
>> could just say to their hotels:
>>       "please make sure that your network is RFC50xx compliant"
>> 
>> --
>> ]            Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear."          |
>> firewalls
>> [
>> ]   Michael Richardson,    Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON    |net
>> architect[
>> ] mcr@xelerance.com      http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device
>> driver[
>> ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking,
>> security guy");
>> [
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> 
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>>> --Jonne Soininen
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>>> 
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>>> 
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