Re: Water features Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)

John C Klensin <> Wed, 28 March 2007 19:09 UTC

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:07:19 -0400
From: John C Klensin <>
To: Iljitsch van Beijnum <>
Subject: Re: Water features Re: [68ATTENDEES] Returning to Prague (was: Re: Hilton Prague)
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At the risk of, once again, being accused of favoring only North American 
meetings (which I have never done), I can't find any way to disagree with 
any of this.


--On Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:51 PM +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum 
<> wrote:

> On 28-mrt-2007, at 19:40, John C Klensin wrote:
>> While my preferences run to hot water, preferably flavored with
>> tea, rather than ice water, the answer is the same -- insulated
>> bottles or mugs, refilled at appropriate breaks.  Certainly that is
>> not as convenient as having beverages continually available, which
>> I prefer too, but it works reasonably well as long as beverages are
>> not dispensed by the glass or bottle by meeting site staff who
>> consider each one a valuable resource to be carefully controlled.
>> So, again, I consider this a matter of convenience, probably even
>> relatively important convenience, not one of necessity for people
>> (even a subset of people) to attend the meeting.
> Well obviously nobody died of dehydration at an IETF meeting that I'm
> aware of, but the problem is that there is no reasonable way to get at
> anything drinkable around the conference rooms between 9 and 15 hours
> under the Prague regime. (And it was a lot worse in Paris, I think they
> even turned off the taps in the bath rooms.) So if, like me, you tend to
> skip lunch because running out, eating in a hurry, and running back is
> either a waste of time or a waste of food (depending on the quality of
> the latter), then this scores very high on the annoyance scale. Being
> able to buy beverages helps a little, but the portions tend to be so
> small at hotel type venues that this isn't much of a solution.
> Either have fountains, coolers or big (~500ml) bottles of the stuff. The
> meeting fees have increased by nearly 50% in 10 years and are around
> double what's needed to cover costs. Water sec costs in the order of
> $1/cubic meter (where I'm from at least) so I don't think this is too
> much too ask for.

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