Re: [68ATTENDEES] Travel Fairness Doctrine
Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com> Mon, 26 March 2007 16:45 UTC
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:44:20 -0500
From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com>
To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] Travel Fairness Doctrine
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:50:08AM +0200, Fred Baker wrote: > That's not > the objective. The objective is, as you say, fairness among those who > already do. The objective should be to maximize IETF participation from people who want to participate while being "fair." Current demographics shouldn't be weighed too heavily as IETF meetings might help stimulate broader participation from locals. Holding an IETF meeting in an expensive city does not help, even if that city is near to many participants, unless there are no inexpensive cities near them. Thus Prague is a much better location in continental Europe than Paris, for example (my food expenses in Prague pale by comparison to Paris). Of course, transportation options should be part of the equation as well, so Paris may still be a better location than Prague (though airfare in Europe is quite reasonable nowadays). And as you point out hotel options matter. Many of us work late hours during IETF meetings, so being able to stay at the conference hotel matters (which means venue size and expense matters), and if that cannot be then late hour transportation and safety matters too. (I did not stay at the conference venue hotel at Prague, but I was not far and could take the metro or walk and did not mind; others may not have enjoyed that as much as I did.) I'm not sure where I'd rank Prague on that basis as I enjoyed late night walks there, but that's quite subjective; Minneapolis is certainly OK. Nico -- _______________________________________________ 68ATTENDEES mailing list 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees
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