Re: [68ATTENDEES] standards track wireless network
Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> Tue, 27 March 2007 18:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] standards track wireless network
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Instead of making it an RFC, it seems perfect fodder for an ION. Tony Hansen tony@att.com Jim Martin wrote: > Actually, this is just /mostly/ right :-) > > There is in fact a document regarding the modern network, but rather > than in ID format, it's a set of requirements. We (the volunteer crew) > developed this to aid in the process of generating an RFP for the > network contractor, and then later as a mechanism to help generate > quantifiable "scoring" during the evaluation of the resultant proposals. > > What we don't have is a document which takes those requirements and > adds in the hard-won best current practices. We've spoken of generating > this document many many times, but due to the considerations you've > mentioned, we've just never gotten to the actual /writing/ part. > > - Jim > > On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo) wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There used to be a document (which has not been updated) on the >> requirement >> of the "terminal room" for the IETF. The draft was mostly about the >> network >> anyways. >> >> The updating of the document stopped, because the requirements where >> increasing faster than the people could type and the information in the >> document would have been out-dated before it reached RFC. Perhaps the >> requirements have become more stable and writing the document might be >> possible. >> >> In addition, there is another difficulty to write the document: Some >> of the >> requirements are not easily documentable in portable format. For >> instance, >> the WLAN network requirements should say that you should forget >> everything >> you have learned about setting up WLAN networks and ask the people who >> has >> done this before what actually works and what doesn't in this kind of >> environment. Though, it is useful in IETF context, it might not be that >> useful outside of it. >> >> I think the main reason for not documenting the networking experiences is >> actually time. People are pretty burned out after the meeting. Even they >> have said before the meeting that they will document everything, after >> the >> meeting the this promise is often forgotten (been there, done that). >> >> These are no excuses not to do the documentation. Somebody just has to >> write >> it... ;) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jonne. >> >> >> On 3/26/07 4:39 PM, "ext Michael Richardson" <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> >> wrote: >> > > At one point, the IETF NOC teams were going to write up their > experiences. It would be lovely if the Python (or other conferences) > could just say to their hotels: > "please make sure that your network is RFC50xx compliant" > > -- > ] Bear: "Me, I'm just the shape of a bear." | > firewalls > [ > ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON |net > architect[ > ] mcr@xelerance.com http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device > driver[ > ] panic("Just another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, > security guy"); > [ > > > >>> _______________________________________________ 68ATTENDEES mailing list 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees >> >> --Jonne Soininen >> Nokia >> >> Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 >> E-mail: jonne.soininen@nokia.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 68ATTENDEES mailing list >> 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees > _______________________________________________ > 68ATTENDEES mailing list > 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees _______________________________________________ 68ATTENDEES mailing list 68ATTENDEES@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/68attendees
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