Re: [6gip] 6G

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 14 January 2021 11:17 UTC

Return-Path: <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: 6gip@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: 6gip@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D5D3A12E7 for <6gip@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 03:17:53 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: 0.406
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.406 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.262, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J7RQOcZbSmHU for <6gip@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 03:17:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82AE33A12CC for <6gip@ietf.org>; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 03:17:52 -0800 (PST)
Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 10EBHiOI001044; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:17:44 +0100
Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 192472060FA; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:17:44 +0100 (CET)
Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C32060DD; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:17:44 +0100 (CET)
Received: from [10.14.10.2] ([10.14.10.2]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 10EBHhaD022460; Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:17:43 +0100
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Cc: Kaippallimalil John <john.kaippallimalil@futurewei.com>, "Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" <hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com>, "6gip@ietf.org" <6gip@ietf.org>
References: <HE1PR07MB3386A43B4B32BF2CE5DC48C79BAA0@HE1PR07MB3386.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <248399ab-7dc1-ee13-928c-751568ea58e5@gmail.com> <HE1PR07MB3386A19851BFFF1ED5DDECAE9BA90@HE1PR07MB3386.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com> <SA0PR13MB40801CE55D18D1EF814ED7CDE8A99@SA0PR13MB4080.namprd13.prod.outlook.com> <86fad3c0-a5b0-f6a5-4671-1802d724c5a5@gmail.com> <43004FC4-43C2-4B52-99C8-33A9360DEA30@eggert.org>
From: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <529026b6-6341-fbbb-9eac-324563c0821a@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:17:43 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <43004FC4-43C2-4B52-99C8-33A9360DEA30@eggert.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format="flowed"
Content-Language: fr
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/6gip/R4EDF9GOAbfVHQCTrphk_2xOgew>
Subject: Re: [6gip] 6G
X-BeenThere: 6gip@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IP Issues in 6th Generation Mobile Network System \(6gip\)" <6gip.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/6gip>, <mailto:6gip-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/6gip/>
List-Post: <mailto:6gip@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:6gip-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6gip>, <mailto:6gip-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:17:54 -0000


Le 14/01/2021 à 09:52, Lars Eggert a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> On 2021-1-14, at 10:37, Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It might be set that the bandwidth is 500Gbit/s and that RTT latency on
>> the air 1 micro-second.
> 
> that's pretty much where we are with datacenter technology today.

which makes think 1Gbit/s is where Ethernet on my laptop was in 2010 or 
so, and that nowadays 4G+ is not at 1Gbit/s.

maybe we would need to review the timeline and not expect 500Gbit/s in 
year 2030 (the year of first wide deployments of 6G).

Maybe this:

           bandwidth
           1Gbit/s     10Gbit/s     100Gbit/s    1Tbit/s
---------------------------------------------------------
year      2005        2010         2015         2020
Ethernet
---------------------------------------------------------
year      2010        2020         2025?        2030?
WiFi
---------------------------------------------------------
year      2025?       2030?        2035?        2040?
5G/6G

would these expectations of bandwidth in time be reasonable?

Or should we expect 500Gbit/s in year 2030?

Alex



> 
> The limits here are due to physical constraints - the speed of light in vacuum is about 300000 km/sec. An RTT of 1us means that the maximum distance to a base station needs to be below 150m. (Not including coding overheads, etc.)
> 
> Unless you claim that "6G" will be a radio LAN, I don't think these assumptions are sensible.
> 
> Lars
>