Re: [6gip] 6G in 3GPP?

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 13/01/2021 à 16:57, Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) a écrit :
> Hello
> 
> Neither I know any, nor my colleagues any 3GPP documents about 6G.
> 
> 3GPP is currently at mid-way with 5G. There will still be a number
> of releases left for 5G  to come. In fact, I assume that now when 5G
> is pushing towards new verticals (mIoT, industry, vehicular, etc.)
> there will be new requirements for protocol work needed for 5G. For 
> example, consider the discussion about multi-path support for QUIC
> in QUIC wg. Similar requests are likely to come.

Hannu,

I do not disagree.

I think indeed 3GPP still works a lot on 5G.  I think it is good they do
it.  I think 3GPP might not need an email list at IETF to design
use-cases for 5G and 5G+ of 3GPP.

That is a personal oppinion and represents just one person.

> Therefore, I am on the opinion that 6G work, even 6G related
> protocol research work in the IRTF, should wait for use cases (and
> radio extensions) that 5G is not able to respond.

I dont think so.

I think 5G work at 3GPP is great.

Would your suggestion be that 6gip email list should wait for 3GPP to
work on 6G?

There might be a problem with names, but I doubt 3GPP has a trademaark
on an acronym such as "6G".  "5G" itself was in years 1980 representing
the 5th Generation of Computers.  People also use routinely the term
"5G" to stand for 5 Gigahertz instead of the 5th Generation of telecom.

Alex

> 
> 
> Best regards Hannu
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Petrescu 
> <[e-mail]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 
> 10:40 AM To: Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) 
> <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] Subject: Re: 6G in 
> 3GPP?
> 
> Me too I would like to ask I would like whether someone knows of a 
> document on the 3gpp.org site that has the term '6G' in it?
> 
> Le 12/01/2021 à 17:55, Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) a écrit :
>> Hello Alexandre
>> 
>> In your slides you claim the 6G is discussed in Rel 17. Can you 
>> tell in which document or WG?
>> 
>> I am involved quite a bit in 3GPP as well as in 6G research and I 
>> am not aware of any of such discussion.
>> 
>> Without a reference I must consider that statement be 
>> misinformation.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Hannu
> 
> Thanks for having gone through the slides; the slides tried to 
> summarize the discussions on the email list at that time.
> 
> It might be that a potential reationship between 3GPP and 6G to be a 
> stretch.
> 
> I might bear responsibility of having misread the emails, or read 
> them too quickly, when drawing a conclusion that 3GPP might work on 
> 6G, and writing that down.  Sorry for misunderstanding.
> 
> We had some mention on this list of an NGMN alliance (Next
> Generation Mobile Networks) which initiated a task force on 6G;
> elsewhere, NGMN is ack'ed as a contributor to 3GPP by a wikipedia
> article.  That might make it that 3GPP might have some work on 6G.
> 
> It might be that some discussions between usual contributors to 3GPP 
> might have mentioned 6G even though there might be no document on 
> 3gpp.org that reads '6G'.  For my part, I do not know what document 
> is Rel 17 more precisely, but I suspect I could find Rel 17 on 
> 3gpp.org.
> 
> It might be that other industry alliances (e.g. 5GAA) could be 
> outright opposed to work on things deemed "6G".  It might be that 
> such opposition is supported by other funding bodies.  I do not know 
> why the opposition, but that is the way it is.
> 
> If, for some reason, 3GPP considers the talk of 6G to be too early, 
> and why not potentially disruptive to the ongoing work of 5G, then 
> that is a 3GPP problem to solve.  That would not be the only problem 
> they should address.  I suspect a ling standing problem is even the 
> name "3G" in a 3GPP working on something else than 3G (e.g. 3GPP 
> working on 4G or 5G).
> 
> I want to tell also that there might be other problems of 5G, on 
> which 3GPP works, and which deserve attention.
> 
> Such problems could be solved by working on something new, like 6G.
> 
> It is a speculation from my part.
> 
> I would like to ask others whether someone knows of a document on
> the 3gpp.org site that has the term '6G' in it?
> 
> Alex
>