Re: [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-policy-00
Samita Chakrabarti <samitac.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 14 July 2017 20:47 UTC
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From: Samita Chakrabarti <samitac.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 13:47:37 -0700
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To: Zhen Cao <zhencao.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-policy-00
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Hi Zhen and Rahul: Thanks for looping 6lo in the lwig-nbr-mgmt-policy draft discussions. 6lo WG, please review draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-policy document for any impact in 6lowpan-nd. Also it is a good place to discuss if anyone else is aware of any alternative neighbor management methods. Also please provide feedback for improving neighbor management from 6lo perspective. -Samita On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Zhen Cao <zhencao.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Rahul and co-authors, > > Many thanks for the hard work in contributing this draft to the lwig > wg. (I am copying roll and 6lo since some discussion will be quite > relevant) > > As I go through the document, I found essentially there are three > types of different policies discussed: > a. Trivial neighbor management (FCFS/LRU) > b. advanced neighbor management (proactive and reactive) > c. proposed ‘reservation based’ approach > > Logically I understand the shortcomings of the trivial approach, > however in practice, how much this many impact the network stability > is not convincing enough yet. (what’s the possible size of node > density/mobility may be impacted? ). > > The discussion of reactive and proactive ways of managing the neighbor > cache entries is helpful. The discussion about the proactive approach > in Sec.2.5.2 quoted below has some pending relationship with RPL (if > this is an acknowledged problem by ROLL WG). Anyway this is something > we need to discuss with the ROLL wg to see if this a need feature. > > Currently there is no standard way of signaling such neighbor cache > space availability information. RPL's DIO messages carry metric > information and can be augmented with neighbor cache space as an > additional metric. > > For the proposed reservation based approach, I think this is quite a > practical recommendation (if my concern about a. will be relaxed). > > I also found the Contiki RPL implementation has recently used a > similar way in its rpl-nbr-policy. Shall we link the draft to the open > source community to see if the document has provided additional help > to the implementation? (or that’s already done given coauthors Simon > and Joakim are both active contributors of Contiki)? > > Many thanks for discussion. > > Cheers, > Zhen > > _______________________________________________ > 6lo mailing list > 6lo@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lo >
- [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-poli… Zhen Cao
- Re: [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-… Rahul Jadhav
- Re: [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: [6lo] Comments of draft-jadhav-lwig-nbr-mgmt-… Simon Duquennoy