Re: [6lowapp] the role of gateway nodes

Arjun Roychowdhury <arjun.lists@hsc.com> Fri, 04 December 2009 20:57 UTC

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On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

> On Nov 27, 2009, at 15:37, Xavi Vilajosana Guillen wrote:
>
> > what's the approach at 6LowApp? anyone knows ongoing work on that issue?
>
> I would summarize the thinking that went into the BOF as follows:
>
> Some nodes in a CE (constrained environment) may actually be not that
> constrained (as nodes and with respect to their network).  These can
> directly speak the appropriate application protocol (HTTP, SNMP, XMPP, SIP)
> to some correspondent node outside (or inside) the CE.  (We didn't put this
> on the slides because that is nothing new.)
>

ARC> This may be just my opinion but I think thats an important point to put
in even if its not new. To some of us, the assertions being made in the
group about network bandwidth and device constrained are not coupled with
concrete proof and makes us wonder why such stringent constraints are being
laid out. It goes back to Henning Schulzrinne's points made in these
threads:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lowapp/current/msg00266.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lowapp/current/msg00257.html
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lowapp/current/msg00215.html

If this group were to make this classification clear that there will be
devices that adhere to stringent needs and those that can accommodate richer
protocols, even in what is called a 'LowPAN' network, then it completes the
story better.




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Arjun Roychowdhury