Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF
Jonathan Hui <jhui@archrock.com> Fri, 30 October 2009 08:31 UTC
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Cc: Don Sturek <donsturek@grid2home.com>, 6lowapp@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF
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Hi Carsten, On Oct 30, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Back to the application requirements: I do agree we should focus on > a small number of specific areas of application, at least for making > sure we have thought through some specific examples for each in > detail. I think it would be useful if we called them out explicitly > in the charter. Right now I'm seeing a lot of interest in 6lowapp > from Energy (SE V2 etc.) and building automation (which may or may > not include home automation). The charter does identify light > switches, temp sensors, power meters, HVAC systems, and door locks > as specific items that we will look at; so maybe we should be a bit > more specific and identify the communication relationships we are > addressing (and add light fixtures, plug-in vehicles and washing > machines in the process). It certainly would have helped me if the charter would have been more precise about what applications or subsets of applications we are trying to address. Without that knowledge, its hard to say whether or not we have the proper requirements written anywhere. BTW, I don't think the ZigBee/Homeplug MRD is sufficient in itself. Is the TRD available? Given the application(s), it would be even better if somewhere we indicated what functionality we plan to develop first. Are we only addressing manipulation of attributes that are relatively small in size? Are the most important profiles to get done first power, light, light switch, and temp? In the end, if we are to take knowledge of the application requirements for granted, the charter should be precise about what we are addressing. It's good to see that we are in line here. > Gruesse, Carsten > > PS.: I wrote more on the rationale for trying not to get stuck in a > requirements mire in > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6lowapp/current/msg00038.html I do prefer your suggested terminology of "objectives" vs. "requirements". -- Jonathan Hui
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- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Shidan
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Paul Duffy
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Vlad Trifa
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Vlad Trifa
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Shidan
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- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Shidan
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jukka Manner
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Paul Duffy
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Cullen Jennings
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF nicolas.riou
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Paul Duffy
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Adriano Pezzuto (apezzuto)
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Jonathan Hui
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Paul Duffy
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Robert Cragie
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Shidan
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Adriano Pezzuto (apezzuto)
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Shidan
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Robert Cragie
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowapp] Proposed charter for 6LoWAPP BOF Adriano Pezzuto (apezzuto)