Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-link-establishment-03.txt
Richard Kelsey <richard.kelsey@ember.com> Fri, 15 June 2012 17:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-link-establishment-03.txt
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Hi Thomas, As Don said, the intent is that MLE not be tied to RPL and that it be submitted as an AD-sponsored submission. I have spoken with Ralph about it on several occasions. We both would have preferred that MLE go through a WG, but there doesn't seem to be an appropriate one. If MLE were intended for use exclusively with ROLL (or MANET or 6LoWPAN), this wouldn't be an issue. Ralph and I discussed it again yesterday, and decided to go with an AD-sponsored submission. My plan was to add some clarifications to the draft before announcing it to the usual suspects (6lowpan, MANET, ROLL). This thread jumped the gun by a day or two. -Richard Kelsey > From: Thomas Heide Clausen <ietf@thomasclausen.org> > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:59:18 +0200 > > Hi Don, > > On 15 Jun 2012, at 18:41, Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net> wrote: > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > I think our plan was to submit it to the Internet Area directly (Richard: > > That is from memory, am I correct?) > > > > If that's the case, then I think that it needs to be scoped > carefully: the design and direction of the work required would > (IMO) be very different if it aims narrowly for RPL, or broadly > for "MESH", and the text in the specification should be very > very clear as to this. > > If an AD sponsored submission is the intend, then I do honestly > not know what the proper way of shaping the process / forum for > discussions / framing of the specification would be, but I > would hope that an AD could chirp in (as you say INT, have you > discussed this with Brian or Ralph, and could you or either of > them let us know?) > > Note, I am not taking position for or against MLE at all - I > just want to ensure that a specification published be scoped so > as to not be constraining for domains for which it hasn't been > discussed. > > Thomas
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- [6lowpan] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-link-establis… Michael Richardson
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Michael Richardson
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Michael Richardson
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Richard Kelsey
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Michael Richardson
- Re: [6lowpan] [Roll] draft-kelsey-intarea-mesh-li… Don Sturek