Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-v6over-btle-01.txt
Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 01 April 2011 21:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-v6over-btle-01.txt
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Le 01/04/2011 14:15, Robert Cragie a écrit : > Alex, > > RFC4944 and 6lowpan-hc form an adaptation layer between IPv6 and, > currently, 802.15.4. A-ha. > To be clear: > > BT BR/EDR is not 802.15.4, BT LE is not 802.15.4, BT BR/EDR is not BT > LE (MAC or PHY) Ok; you may see some technical differences, you may direct me to the technical differences. > So each MAC/PHY needs its own considerations when it comes to an > adaptation layer. Ok, yes, when it comes to an adaptation layer; the adaptation layer is called "lowpan" in rfc4944. Yes, "lowpan" adaptation layer would need to be well adapted on each different MAC, one being BT-LE. But I am talking pure IPv6 straight over bluetooth, without "lowpan". That IPv6 over bluetooth works ok without lowpan, with "bnep". The meeting presentation slides say "BNEP can be optionally used between compressed IPv6 and BT-LE L2CAP". I agree. Moreover, bnep can also be used ok to run IPv6 over bluetooth without lowpan, without compressed IPv6. Is "lowpan" some better than "bnep"? Why would one prefer "lowpan" instead of "bnep"? Thanks for an indication. > My feeling is that many concepts could be abstracted and maybe > written in a common document but ultimately, there will be three > different adaptation layers. Ah... more adaptation layers... > Also "bluetooth is to 802.15.4 what wifi is to 802.11" - completely > wrong comparison. Bluetooth has nothing to do with 802.15.4. Yes they do: they're both PAN. Alex > > Robert > > On 01/04/2011 12:41 PM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >> Le 01/04/2011 13:16, Basavaraj.Patil@nokia.com a écrit : >>> >>> There is a world of difference between 802.15.4 and BT-LE. >> >> yes, but I mean from the standpoint of IP. >> >> Is the MAC address format different between bt and bt-le? >> (including format of multicast addresses) >> >> Is the bt-le mac still doing reassembly (as bt does) thus accept >> the same minimal mtu as bt, i.e.1280bytes? >> >> Is bt-le still a multicast-capable link layer, like bt is? >> >> Alex >> >> >>> >>> On 4/1/11 5:33 AM, "ext Alexandru >>> Petrescu"<alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Le 01/04/2011 12:12, Carsten Bormann a écrit : >>>>>> It seems to me IMHO bt-le is just a new phy, but same mac, >>>>>> hence ip would not be affected. >>>>> >>>>> From the presentation, I had a different impression. >>>>> >>>>>> But of course, a document stating we do things over bt-le >>>>>> as usually as over bt, would not hurt. >>>>> >>>>> Actually, it is required, as RFC4944 and its updates only >>>>> define 6LoWPAN for IEEE 802.15.4. If two people took these >>>>> documents and tried to apply them to BT-LE, they wouldn't >>>>> necessarily arrive at interoperable specifications. >>>> >>>> To me IMHO bluetooth is to 802.15.4 what wifi is to 802.11 - a >>>> marketing name. It seems sufficient to specify ipv6 over >>>> 802.15.4 and that would cover all variants of bluetooth. There >>>> is no ipv6-over-802.11n, nor ipv6-over-wifilowpower, for >>>> example. >>>> >>>> I may be wrong though about bluetooth being mostly 802.15.4 >>>> rfc4944 and rfc2460. >>>> >>>>>> Is the WG re-opened? >>>>> >>>>> No, it is alive and well until such a time when it is >>>>> actually being closed. All that was said is that the Prague >>>>> meeting will be the last physical meeting of the WG. We want >>>>> to close our unfinished business, and a number of documents >>>>> are based on discussions that went on at least since >>>>> Beijing, so if they fit our charter and we have energy to >>>>> work on them, there is no problem doing that. >>>> >>>> sounds like doing new work without physical meetings... ok... >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gruesse, Carsten >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ 6lowpan >>>> mailing list 6lowpan@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing >> list 6lowpan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan >> > > > _______________________________________________ 6lowpan mailing list > 6lowpan@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan
- [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers gui… Geoff Mulligan
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Ralph Droms
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Stok, Peter van der
- [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers gui… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Carles Gomez Montenegro
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Samita Chakrabarti
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Yoshihiro Ohba
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carles Gomez Montenegro
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… johanna.1.nieminen
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Robert Cragie
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Basavaraj.Patil
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Oliver Hahm
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of Transmission of IPv6… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carles Gomez Montenegro
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carles Gomez Montenegro
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Benjamin A. Rolfe
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Dijk, Esko
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Benjamin A. Rolfe
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Benjamin A. Rolfe
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… johanna.1.nieminen
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Colin O'Flynn
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Colin O'Flynn
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Zach Shelby
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… C Chauvenet
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Oliver Hahm
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… C Chauvenet
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of 6lowpan Implementers… Luis Carlos Maqueda Ara
- [6lowpan] ADOPTED: Re: WG adoption of Transmissio… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [6lowpan] WG adoption of draft-patil-6lowpan-… Peter Mariager