Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key Management
"Benjamin A. Rolfe" <ben@blindcreek.com> Thu, 29 September 2011 22:15 UTC
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I can summarize the 802.15 family; Bob will have to speak specifically to the KMP RP and which it will apply to. Each consists of a distinct MAC sub-layer specification and one or more PHY specifications (usually more). 802.15.1 - you will probably know it as Bluetooth (802.15.1 where the "personal" comes from in WPAN); short range, moderate data rate, small networks in both radio SOI and number of devices. Current revision 2005. 802.15.3 - high rate WPAN. The current standard includes a common MAC and multiple PHY layers, including a 2.4GHz PHY operating up to 55Mbps, and a very high rate (up to 5Gbps) PHYs operating in the 60 GHz (mmWave) band. Also small ROI and modest number of devices. The very high rate is being used in consumer applications such as video transport. Initial standard 2003 with amendment 3b published 2005 and amendment 3c published 2009. 802.15.4 - LR-WPAN, first publication in 2003 with a simple MAC and 2 PHYs, one 2.4GHz (OQPSK) and one for the 868 MHz and 915 MHz (BPSK) bands. This is the version called out in ZigBee. Since 2003 there has been a major revision that made significant changes to the MAC and two new PHYs operating in the 868 and 915 bands: OQPSK and ASK. Amendment 4a adds two more PHYs, a UWB PHY in 3 to 10 GHz band, and a CSS PHY in 2.4GHz; Amendment 4c adds PHYs for operating in the 780MHz band in China; Amendment 4d adds a GFSK PHY operating in the 950MHz band in Japan. The current revision is P802.15.4-2011 which includes all of the above amendments on the 2006 revision. Currently there are 3 new amendments nearing completion: Task Group (TG) 4e is adding new features to the MAC; TG4g is adding three new PHYs and a plethora of bands around the world, and is already being used for smart grid and M2M applications; TG4f adds 2 new PHYs for RFID applications. Additional TGs are underway defining even more new PHYs expanding the usefulness of 15.4 even further. Quite a bit has happened since 2003! 802.15.6 - Body Area Networks (or as I like to call it, very personal area networks), with yet another distinct MAC (including security). Currently there are 3 PHYs in the draft. Balloting in progress. 802.15.7 - Visible Light Communications. Approved in 2011. -B > Thank you. > > I think it'd be useful for IETF community to understand what those 5/6 distinct standards, and if the KMP being sought would be a generic solution or specific to each one of them. PANA being used for one of them already, I wonder whether it applies to the others or not. Any ideas on that? > > > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2011, at 4:19 AM, Benjamin A. Rolfe wrote: > >> There is an obvious difference in scope: The scope of the ZigBee SEP profile is specifically Demand >> Response and Load Management applications. ZigBee uses IEEE P802.15.4-2003. The scope of the referenced PAR includes all current members of the 802.15 family of standards, which includes 5 distinct MAC and PHY standards (soon to be 6). >> >> I'm sure Bob can elaborate further. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Regards >> >> -Ben >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> As you know, Zigbee Alliance has already adopted EAP/PANA for network access authentication and key agreement for Smart Energy Profile 2.0. >>> >>> Is the problem you are seeking to solve the same problem, or a different one? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Alper >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> >>>> This week the PAR for KMP passed within 802.15: >>>> >>>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/11/15-11-0613-03-0kmp-key-management-protocol-par.doc >>>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/11/15-11-0665-03-0kmp-kmp-5c-draft.doc >>>> >>>> In the PAR we are requesting the creation of a Recommended Practice that will be identified as 802.15.8. >>>> >>>> Next step is to get IEEE 802 approval which will be at the Atlanta meeting week prior to IETF. >>>> >>>> For all the current documents for the KMPIG: >>>> >>>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/documents?is_group=0kmp >>>> >>>> In particular >>>> >>>> https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/11/15-11-0650-00-0kmp-kmp-for-802-15.ppt >>>> >>>> GIves the latest thoughts on how the shim will work and how the document will be structured. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> saag mailing list >>>> saag@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >>> _______________________________________________ >>> 6lowpan mailing list >>> 6lowpan@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> 6lowpan mailing list >> 6lowpan@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6lowpan >
- [6lowpan] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key Management Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key… Alper Yegin
- Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key… Benjamin A. Rolfe
- Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key… Alper Yegin
- Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key… Benjamin A. Rolfe
- Re: [6lowpan] [saag] Follow up on IEEE 802.15 Key… Robert Cragie