[6tisch-security] DRAFT minutes from meeting 2016-09-13
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 26 September 2016 15:06 UTC
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Subject: [6tisch-security] DRAFT minutes from meeting 2016-09-13
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To remind: we are meeting 2016-09-27, at 1400UTC (10am EDT). We meet at: https://jitsi.tools.ietf.org/6tischSecurity Please try your browser, firewall/etc. beforehand. The room is open. We will use audio only, so feel free to mute your camera, and use the shared etherpad within JITSI. Agenda for this week: 0) note well. 1) approval of agenda 2) minutes from last week. 3) work to do during meeting: time sequence diagram for document draft-richardson-6tisch-dtsecurity-secure-join 4) possibility to use GRASP from Join Assistant to JCE, since DAR/DAC is off the table. DRAFT MINUTES from 2016-09-13: AGENDA 0) hello and Note Well. 1) review since IETF96. a) updates on crypto? EDHOC -- dialogue with some crypto people about freshness (of initiator) with two-pass protocol. The issue you need to know it's not a replay. -- go for SIGMA-I protocol. SIGMA-I is a design pattern for crypto protocols: http://webee.technion.ac.il/~hugo/sigma.html Provides identity protection against active attacks of initiator and passive attacks of responder. Three passes, but the total EDHOC + OSCOAP can be embedded in two round trips. Similar to what TLS 1.3 has done. -- plan to have an update on document for review, then CFRG review. Q: any plans to submit to 802.15.9, or specify how to use it with 15.9? A (Tero): need to have KMP defined somewhere (i.e. IETF). IEEE 802.15.9 has small appendix to explain how to derive keys for 15.4. To get a number to use, there is an IEEE 802.15 Assigned Number Authority. There is a form to do this. Some stuff is moving from 802.15.9 to 802.15.12 (upper layer interface). EDHOC will remain in ACE WG. b) updates on network logistics. - discussion about whether JCE managed, centrally initiated secured CoAP for join traffic - TW suggests that join traffic, if on a seperate track, can be grown in bandwidth as required. So even though 6p can add cells, it can not grow all of the cells. - TW explains that pledge becomes associated to JA's schedule, and at the beginning of the minimal slot, it wakes up to listen, (Rx/Tx). - initial show of interest should be part of the protocol, and should be part of the security protocol description. MCR wrote an initial ACTION required: a) PRO of centrally initiated b) CON of centrally initiated c) PRO of pledge initiated d) CON of pledge initiated TW: if we have a solution that has a lot of round trips, then it is better to sequence things. TW: if you have a 500-byte frame, then it will take ~5 slotframes to send this packet to next hop, possibly about 5s as the slotframe repeats each 1s. MCR: is there value of the Join Assistant to schedule the pledges/new nodes to initiate? TW: if there is multiple nodes talking to the same JA, then there is no contention. 2) state of draft? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-6tisch-dtsecurity-secure-join/ https://github.com/ietf-roll/6tisch-secure-join .. CONCLUSION from above discussion was that JCE initiated join protocol is still possible, and is better from bandwidth planning point of view. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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