Re: [6tisch] 6tisch join requirements for 6top
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 01 December 2014 16:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: [6tisch] 6tisch join requirements for 6top
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{can I subscribe Tero to the 6tisch-security mailing list?} Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi> wrote: >> > Note, that receiving peer needs to know the extended address of the >> > sender in the 15.4 to be able to decrypt the packet, as the nonce >> > generation depends on that. There is no way around that. >> >> When you say "extended address", do you mean 64-bit EUI? > Yes. In 802.15.4 the extended address is the full 64-bit EUI. The > short address is the 16-bit address assigned by the coordinator (and > that short address is associated with PANId). > The 15.4 uses nonce for the AES-CCM in format of > +------------------------+------------------+--------------------+ > | Octets: 8 | 4 | 1 | > +------------------------+------------------+--------------------+ > | Source Address | Frame Counter | Security Level | > +------------------------+------------------+--------------------+ > for non-TSCH mode, and for TSCH mode it uses: > +------------------------+-------------+ > | Octets: 8 | 5 | > +------------------------+-------------+ > | Source Address | ASN | > +------------------------+-------------+ > where the ASN is the absolute slot number. The Source Address is the > 64-bit EUI, i.e. extended address of the sender. > The source address is fetched from the KeyDescriptor found using the > Key Identifier Mode, Key Source and Key Index. > So unless you know the extended address of the sender, you cannot > decrypt the packet, as you cannot calculate the Nonce for the AES-CCM > operation. What I'm reading is that multicasted messages must always use extended addresses if they are secured. For other messages, if one has a node to node security, then one can map the 16-bit address to an extended address, and create the nonce. If one does not have node to node security, then the receiving node might not have the mapping: does that mean one has to use extended addressing whenever there is a single, network-wide key? -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
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