Re: [6tsch] work item 2: centralized route and track computation with PCE

Maria Rita PALATTELLA <maria-rita.palattella@uni.lu> Tue, 23 July 2013 12:22 UTC

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From: Maria Rita PALATTELLA <maria-rita.palattella@uni.lu>
To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, "Raghuram Sudhaakar (rsudhaak)" <rsudhaak@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne <watteyne@eecs.berkeley.edu>
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Pascal,
The new definition is for sure more complete and shows better what we are planning to do with the 6TSCH centralized approach.
Here are my few comments:

-        I would add a reference to the schedule. Because the PCE will take care of it, and not only of routing and forwarding states.

-        Also in the last part, I would talk in term of schedule, instead of track.

It reads as following:

2. Produce requirements and an overall architecture for  "6TSCH centralized routes and tracks management"
describing the mechanism by which an external Path Computation Element (PCE) can communicate with
devices in a 6TSCH network in order to maintain the schedule, and  routing/forwarding states.

In detail, the WG will consider operations (1) from  the device routing layer to the PCE for (i) sending topological information and routing metrics, and (ii) getting on-demand routing information;
and (2) from the device 6top sublayer  to the PCE for (a) exporting neighboring and link quality statistics and (b) requesting a (new) schedule that meets explicit flow requirements.

Maria Rita

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:34 PM
To: Raghuram Sudhaakar (rsudhaak); Maria Rita PALATTELLA; Thomas Watteyne
Cc: 6tsch@ietf.org
Subject: work item 2: centralized route and track computation with PCE

Hello Raghu and all:

About item 2 6TSCH Centralized Management:

Since we wrote the charter a few months ago we have been digging and it appears that we are probably not ready for going standard track right away with a 6TSCH document.
- In one hand, we understand better that the PCE is the component we need for both centralized route AND track computation.
- OTOH, we realized that PCEP only covers a limited portion of the required standard work and we realize that we need to dig deeper in what needs to be done, in particular to locate the PCE(s), export topology and metrics to the PCE, and then install routes and tracks from the PCE.  We also understand that some of that work belongs to the PCE working group though it is unclear exactly how much that is.

Right now the charter has this:

2. Produce "6TSCH centralized management" to define the mechanism by which an
external Path Computation Element can communicate with the 6top protocol layer
of the different nodes in the network (1) to modify their TSCH schedule and
(2) to gather link quality statistics and data flow requirements.  The WG will
initially look at PCEP and CoAP.
Depending on the applicability of PCEP, this document will be targeted to
proposed standard.

In the light of our studies, I'd suggest this:
2. Produce requirements and an overall architecture for  "6TSCH centralized routes and tracks management"
describing the mechanism by which an external Path Computation Element (PCE) can communicate with
devices in a 6TSCH network in order to maintain routing and forwarding states. In detail, the WG will
consider operations (1) by the device routing layer for (i) sending topological information and routing
metrics to the PCE, and (ii) getting on-demand routing information; and (2) by the device 6top sublayer
for exporting neighboring and link quality statistics to the PCE and (2) requesting to (re)compute and
install a track that meets explicit flow requirements.

What do you guys think?


Pascal

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Sent: lundi 22 juillet 2013 07:25
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Subject: [6tsch] slides for work items

All,
Attached are the slides for the work items. Please provide your comments.

Specifically, please provide feedback on whether we must have the security framework as a work item.

-raghuram