Re: [6tsch] the first 30min

[Qin Wang <[e-mail]>]

Pascal,

I understand the conclusion should be drawn by people from Maria Rita's
talk and fully agree with you. Then, I prefer "what is TSCH proven to be
great for?"

Thanks
Qin


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
[e-mail]> wrote:

>  Hello Qin;****
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> Just to make sure, the quote is not what I expect Maria Rita to say as her
> conclusion but the conclusion that people should have drawn from her
> presentation, do we agree?****
>
> I agree the title is not too specific… I’d think that “what is TSCH used
> for in the real world?”, or “what is TSCH proven to be great for?” is even
> closer than “how does it work?”.****
>
> The cool thing with the broad title is that we have some freedom to play a
> little but with the message and the content, which we are still determining
> at this time : ) ****
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> Cheers, ****
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> Pascal****
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> *From:* Qin Wang [mailto:[e-mail]]
> *Sent:* jeudi 18 juillet 2013 16:29
> *To:* Thomas Watteyne
> *Cc:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Marc Blanchet; 6TSCH; Ted Lemon (
> [e-mail])
> *Subject:* Re: [6tsch] the first 30min****
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> Hi Pascal, ****
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> The three stages are very clear in logic. Just a comment on the sub-title
> of the second part.****
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> If the conclusion from Maria Rita talk is expected as "the crowd has a
> sense of a huge value for the real world, even for everyday life", the
> sub-title may need to be changed, e.g. "How it works?" or something else.*
> ***
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> Thought?****
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> Qin****
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>  ****
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>  ****
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> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Thomas Watteyne <
> [e-mail]> wrote:****
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> Pascal,****
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> Absolutely, I saw your attached e-mail, and I agree we're very close. I
> was going through it when preparing this e-mail, after realizing we will
> probably be moving thing around between Maria Rita's, Xavi's and my own
> slides.****
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> I agree with your modification to the conclusion and the story you're
> describing.****
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> Thomas****
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> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
> [e-mail]> wrote:****
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> Hello Thomas****
>
>  ****
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> I’d discuss the nutshells rather than the content (which is close to
> perfect; ) And I’d argue that the nutshells are also the conclusions.****
>
> Did you see the thread attached? We’re mostly in line but it seems you
> went through it all again. I understand your logic, this is a nice story.*
> ***
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> My 2 centimes:****
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>    - [5min] draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context-02 [Thomas] ****
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>     - *In a nutshell: IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is Deterministic Wirelessstandard
>       *****
>
> I expect that at this point the crowd understands that deterministic is a
> new and immensely powerful complex, enabling control loops and this key to
> OT/automation networks, and that we can actually achieve it on wireless.**
> **
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>    - [10min] what is IEEE802.15.4e TSCH? [Maria Rita] ****
>
>
>     - *In a nutshell: IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is a proven technology which
>       opens up IT/OT/automation convergence if coupled with IPv6*****
>
> I expect that at this point the crowd has a sense of a huge value for the
> real world, even for everyday life. If ùy nutshell is Maria Rita’s
> conclusion then we have a great transition for Xavi (see my attached mail)
> ****
>
>    - [15min] what is missing? [Xavi] ****
>
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>     - *In a nutshell: Some Blocks but mostly Glue are missing so 6TSCH is
>       doable*****
>
> By then people must also be convinced that there is work to be done,
> understand what the scope of that work is, and that it is achievable within
> IETF classical operations.****
>
>  ****
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> Works for you? ****
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>  ****
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> Also, do you mind copyting the list or at least the other speakers and Ted
> and Marc?****
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>  ****
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> Pascal****
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>  ****
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> *From:* [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of *Thomas
> Watteyne
> *Sent:* jeudi 18 juillet 2013 14:08
> *To:* Maria Rita Palattella; Xavi Vilajosana; Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> *Subject:* BoF: the first 30min****
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>  ****
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> Xavi, Maria Rita,****
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> [CC'ing Pascal]****
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> The first 30min at the BoF will be ours to convey the following messages:*
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>    - IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is a powerful new standard****
>    - it's a proven technology****
>    - we want to fit an IETF IPv6 upper stack onto it****
>    - but pieces are missing****
>
>  We need to coordinate closely to avoid (1) that we repeat things and (2)
> that we follow the same stream of thought. From the slides that are now in
> the repo, I can see that we all are hesitant a bit about who says what.***
> *
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>  ****
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> This e-mail is the start of the discussion we will have later today in our
> "private" webex.****
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> I believe that, high-level, we could separate our speaking time as follows:
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>    - [5min] draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context-02 [Thomas]****
>
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>     - *In a nutshell: IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is new L2 standard*****
>       - what we are presenting is the first draft generated by the group,
>       and which highlights what IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is and what is missing. It's
>       the document we used early on in the definition of the problem statement
>       within the 6TSCH group, and we therefore present early on in the BoF.
>       ****
>       - IEEE802.15.4 is a double standard (PHY and MAC) for low-power
>       wireless radio. It's a very well-known standard, used at the base of the
>       6LoWPAN, CORE and ROLL WGs.****
>       - IEEE802.15.4e is an amendment to its MAC protocol****
>       - one of the modes is Timeslotted Channel Hopping (TSCH)****
>       - TSCH allows low-power through synchronization, high reliability
>       through channel hopping****
>       - nodes in the network follow the TSCH communication schedule****
>       - published IEEE standard, April 2012****
>
>
>    - [10min] what is IEEE802.15.4e TSCH? [Maria Rita]****
>
>
>     - *In a nutshell: IEEE802.15.4e TSCH is a proven technology which
>       opens up new applications*****
>       - playing with the schedule allows for a clean trade-off between
>       throughout, latency, redundancy and power consumption****
>       - allows for a high level of determinism and traffic engineering****
>       - opens up to new range of applications which require high
>       reliability and low-power:****
>
>
>     -  ****
>          - Control loops in a wireless process control network, in which
>          high reliability and a fully deterministic behavior are required.
>          ****
>          - Umbrella networks transporting data from different independent
>          clients, and for which an operator needs flow isolation and traffic shaping.
>          ****
>          - Energy harvesting networks, which require an extremely low and
>          predictable average power consumption.****
>
>
>     - an analogy of our work can be found in WirelessHART and ISA100.11a,
>       although these standards don't use IETF building blocks. Those standards
>       use a variant of Timeslotted Channel Hopping, but not IEEE802.15.4e.
>       ****
>       - we want to define how to run IPv6 on top of IEEE802.15.4e TSCH****
>       - the IEEE802.15.4e standard only defines what nodes do once they
>       have a schedule, NOT how to build and maintain that schedule****
>
>
>    - [15min] what is missing? [Xavi]****
>
>
>     - *In a nutshell: blocks are missing*****
>       - some building blocks are missing to fit an IPv6 stack onto
>       IEEE802.15.4e TSCH. Most of them already exist. We want to provide
>       guidelines on how to glue them together.****
>       - the main blocks are:****
>
>
>     - (per draft-watteyne-6tsch-tsch-lln-context-02) guidelines to fully
>          define the behavior of the network:****
>
>
>      -  ****
>             - network formation****
>             - election of timing parents needed for synchronization****
>             - network maintenance****
>             - security (mostly key management)****
>
>
>     - building and maintaining the communication schedule:****
>
>
>      - "the orchestra director"****
>             - Both centralized and distributed approaches are
>             contemplating****
>             - protocols to coordinate nodes and distribute information****
>
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>     - multi-hop dataflow****
>
>
>      - integration with RPL (including feeding back metrics)****
>             - packet switching and tunneling****
>
>
>     - QoS and TE (includes different flow/packet priorities, traffic
>          classes, and mapping to layer 2 resources)****
>          - ND and backbone architecture****
>
>  Thoughts? I ca go over this during the webex later today.****
>
>  ****
>
> Thomas****
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