Re: [71attendees] During IETF-71: Philadelphia Beer Week :-)
Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> Sun, 02 March 2008 16:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: [71attendees] During IETF-71: Philadelphia Beer Week :-)
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On Mar 1, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote: > On 3/1/08, Marshall Eubanks <tme@multicasttech.com> wrote: >> > >> This quote from a noted Philadelphian seems apropos : >> >> "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." >> -Benjamin Franklin >> > > He never said it. He never printed it in New Richard's Almanack, and > it never appeared in any of his writings. > > The closest quote is something to effect that "Wine is proof that God > loves us" (approximate quote; the original is in French), which was in > reference to the biblical miracle of turning water into wine. > > And, considering that Franklin was a teetotaler for most of his life, > it wouldn't make sense that he'd say it in the first place. Was he now ? It had escaped my notice, and I have read a fair amount of Franklin. Was he a teetotaler circa 1744, when he wrote a drinking song (each refrain referring to "Friends and a bottle") ? True, in 1771 he wrote in his Autobiography as one of his virtues "drink not to elevation," but not to elevation is not the same as not at all, and it was listed as one of 13 virtues to aspire to, clearly implying the occasional lapse. Was he a teetotaler in 1777, as Ambassador to France, when the news from America was bad and he said, asking for more wine at a dinner party, "There is nothing better to do here than to drink: how can we flatter ourselves... that a monarchy will help republicans revolted against a monarch ?" Or how about in 1779, when in his famous appeal from the flies of Benjamin Franklin, he said (speaking about himself, from a fly's perspective) "Often, when his friends and himself have used up a bowl of punch, he has left a sufficient quantity to intoxicate 100 of us flies." And, most famously, in 1784 (if my sources are to be believed), the Abbe Morellet wrote a song which said that the American revolution was started because Franklin had decided to switch from British beer to French wine, which "could sooth the soul, I am told, of Benjamin." He responded with an essay on wine "from the Abbe Franklin", which is fairly available on the Internet (see, e.g., <http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.899/article_detail.asp> ) and which includes this postscript "To confirm still more your piety and gratitude to Divine Providence, reflect upon the situation which it has given to the elbow. You see in animals, who are intended to drink the waters that flow upon the earth, that if they have long legs, they also have a long neck, so that they can get at their drink without kneeling down. But man, who was destined to drink wine, must be able to raise the glass to his mouth. If the elbow had been placed nearer the hand, the part in advance would have been too short to bring the glass up to the mouth; and if it had been placed nearer the shoulder, that part would have been so long that it would have carried the wine far beyond the mouth. But by the actual situation, we are enabled to drink at our ease, the glass going exactly to the mouth. Let us, then, with glass in hand, adore this benevolent wisdom;—let us adore and drink!" I also read once that he brought a quantity of French wine home with him as he left France after being Ambassador, and enjoyed the use of it, but I cannot find a proper attribution for this. I do understand that he stopped drinking wine in the late 1780's for medical reasons after his return from France, as he suffered greatly from gout and stones at the end of his life. So, he has never struck me as a teetotaler, which is why I gave credence to the "beer" quote, although it may just be a corruption of the part of the "Abbe" essay where he wrote "Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy." And I will drink to that, in Philadelphia if the occasion arises. Regards Marshall > > -- > Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin > Principal Engineer > Corporate Standardization (US) > SISA _______________________________________________ 71attendees mailing list 71attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/71attendees
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