Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person

Dave Thaler <dthaler@windows.microsoft.com> Thu, 07 August 2008 16:44 UTC

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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@windows.microsoft.com>
To: Mehmet Ersue <m_ersue@yahoo.de>, "72attendees@ietf.org" <72attendees@ietf.org>
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As RFC 4846 states:
> [...] it is important to
> remember that the RFC Editor function predates the creation of the
> IETF.  As of the time of this writing, the RFC Series goes back 38
> years [RFC2555], while the IETF is celebrating its 21st anniversary.
> All of the documents that were published before the IETF was created,
> and for some years thereafter, would be considered Independent
> Submissions today.  As the IETF evolved, the Internet Architecture
> Board (IAB) and then the IETF itself chose to publish IETF documents
> as RFCs while fully understanding that the RFC Editor function was an
> independent publication mechanism.  Other decisions were possible:
> e.g., the IETF could have decided to create its own publication
> series.  It was felt that there was considerable value in continuing
> to publish the IETF work in the same series as the one used to
> publish the basic protocols for the Internet.

Another interesting data point is that besides the RFC series, there's
also the IEN series (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/ien/ien-index.html)
Within this series is the proceedings of the "Internet Meetings"
(1977-1981) which predate the IETF but were still about TCP/IP.  The
first(?) Internet Meeting proceedings are in IEN 3 and the list of
attendees includes both Steve Crocker and Vint Cerf.  The earliest
IEN by a still-active IETF'er is, I think, IEN 5 by Vint.

-Dave


> From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mehmet Ersue
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:17 AM
> To: 72attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person
>
> What about Steve Crocker?
> He attends IETF meetings but I'm not sure whether he was in this meeting.
>
> I assume the IETF history starts with RFC 1:
>
> Network Working Group                                   Steve Crocker
> Request for Comments: 1                                UCLA
>                                                          7 April 1969
> Mehmet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ext Pete Resnick [mailto:presnick@qualcomm.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:18 AM
> To: Scott Brim
> Cc: Vint Cerf; Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Muenich);
> 72attendees@ietf.org; Dave Crocker
> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Oldest IETF Person
>
> On 7/31/08 at 10:29 PM +0100, Scott Brim wrote:
>
> >On 7/31/08 10:01 PM, Vint Cerf allegedly wrote:
> >>perhaps although IETF as a particular entity would have been
> >>established about 1983 by Barry Leiner (RIP). Mike Corrigan ran
> >>that but Phill Gross had the operational responsibility.
> >>Of course, Phill hasn't attended in a while I think. Bob Braden may
> >>well be the most senior continuous attendee.
> >
> >I'm pretty sure Mike St Johns holds the record for number of
> >meetings attended.
>
> Of people on the attendance list of IETF 1 in 1986
> <http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/prior29/IETF01.pdf>, it appears to
> intersect the current IETF list in 3 places:
>
> Ross Callon
> Mike St. Johns
> Lixia Zhang
>
> I have no intention of trying to establish the chronological age of
> members of that particular list. :-)
>
> pr
> --
> Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
> Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax:
> (858)651-1102
>

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