[72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control)
"Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" <jonne.soininen@nsn.com> Mon, 28 July 2008 21:55 UTC
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From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" <jonne.soininen@nsn.com>
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Subject: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control)
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Everybody complaining about the guest room network, <The IAOC Chair hat on> I have a bit of sentiment that people don't understand the guest room network is not the primary responsibility of the host. It is extra what we get if the host (this time Alcatel-Lucent) decides to provide it for us for free. We have network requirements for hosts at http://iaoc.ietf.org/network_requirements.html for everybody to check. I have a bit of sentiment that the people complaining about the guest room network have a hard time appreciating what it means to get free access to the Internet from the hotel rooms and what it costs. Usually getting "ownership" of the hotel network is not an option, but never it is a priority. The priority is to get the meeting, production network to work. That is what the host is responsible for. If you have problems with that, you can submit a ticket at noc@ietf.org. In addition, no hotel networks are made for this kind of crowd. They are made for "business people" who just download their e-mails. Not for the hotel full of geeks running everything from bittorrent to something they wrote last night after the bar. So, making it work would mean upgrading the whole network - not an option. So, please, let's stop bashing our host about something they have given us extra! I would like to thank our host for providing the guest room network for free. In addition, they have done a great job hosting the meeting! Thank you, Alcatel-Lucent! </The IAOC Chair hat on> Cheers, Jonne. PS. If anybody feels they have capability to build a better network, please, show it by hosting one of the future meetings. You can find the hosting opportunities from http://www.ietf.org/meetings/0mtg-sites.txt. They are clearly marked as "Host: TBD". Thank you. -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Siemens Networks Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nsn.com _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
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