Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom Network not under NOC Control)

Well, I don't know, but I believe this mailing list is not here for 
"settling the score" with ietf location selection process...

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
> And when you find volunteer hosts which find the money, the venue and so on,
> such as myself in Madrid, trying for several years, then you disqualify the
> venue because is not in down-town ... A very fair comparison with this one
> or even San Diego.
>
> Madrid venue was much better (even being the first hotel in the world that
> offered IPv6 in the guest rooms several years ago, no filtered
> ports/protocols at all !), much better located, much cheaper, better
> commuting to downtown (cheaper and shorter), better food, more restaurant
> choices in the venue and around, etc.
>
> So the first that make the possible hosts and sponsors to step down is the
> organization itself with ridiculous decisions which are then taken as
> irrelevant for other venues (and Dublin is a very good example).
>
> Now I'm not sure wanting to spend anymore my cycles in retrying this again
> unless there is a firm commitment. I bothered the government to much to
> raise +150.000 Euros for sponsoring this and I'm not even sure they will
> consider it again.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
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>> From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist <kurtis@kurtis.pp.se>
>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:18:31 +0200
>> To: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re: Guestroom
>> Network not under NOC Control)
>>
>>
>> On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location /
>>>> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location
>>>>         
>>> The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this.
>>>
>>> Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can
>>> find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets
>>> of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of
>>> one party, the other is unhappy.
>>>       
>> If you would have quoted a bit more of my email -  I actually further
>> said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has
>> been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance
>> fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays
>> for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on
>> the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we
>> can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up
>> significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on
>> sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all
>> the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to
>> your brand and the marketing value is negative.
>>
>> Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC
>> volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a
>> meeting.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> - kurtis -
>>
>>
>> PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail -
>> issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list.
>>
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