Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs (was: Re: Clarifying Host Responsibilities )
Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com> Mon, 11 August 2008 18:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs (was: Re: Clarifying Host Responsibilities )
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The Friday night problem appears to have been some kind of glitch possibly related to the IETF infrastructure going away and the hotel's "normal" mode not being properly reconfigured (I am guessing). It was all working fine by Saturday morning. In general, I think it would be difficult for the IAOC and AMS to provide in-room Internet access that is any "better" than what you would normally get at a given property. Generally speaking, the best we can negotiate is for the fee to be removed either before checkout or by having access be just "open". In some cases, the NOC folks may be allowed access to the hotel network to provide better bandwidth etc, but some hotels have very restrictive policies about this (notably the Starwood Group). It would also help a great deal if IETF attendees treated the in-room network more like a "normal" visitor, i.e., used it only for e-mail, Web browsing etc, and not some sort high-capacity multimedia system with infinite capacity. At CityWest we had a perfectly good "terminal room" and wireless access in all the meeting rooms and hotel lobby areas. We can certainly wish for more, but it's a matter of resources. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: ole@cisco.com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Mary Barnes wrote: > I travel a lot and use hotels that often offer "free in-room Internet" > and have never encountered the problems I did on Friday nite after the > IETF meeting. My expectation is that the price for "free Internet" is > really built into the price of the room - i.e., there's nothing that's > really "free". However, we do have to consider the location, as I > found that Internet is not nearly as widely available in much of > Ireland, including in Dublin hotels. I stayed in a supposed "business > class" hotel in Dublin for two days prior to the meeting and had no > Internet access except for the pay 10 euros per minute console in the > lobby - those same sorts of consoles were the Internet source at the > Cork airport, as well. > > Regards, > Mary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:72attendees-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Dale Worley > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:35 PM > To: 72attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs (was: Re: > Clarifying Host Responsibilities ) > > On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 07:55 -0400, John C Klensin wrote: > > (ii) when the IAOC advertises free > > Internet access in rooms, there is some limited IETF obligation to > > understand that "Internet access" implies connections that work, > > deliver addresses, route packets, etc., not just plug in and to > > provide an interface with the hotel about that... or to say "well, > > there are Internet connections in the rooms, and they > > are free, but maybe they won't work". > > I've always taken "free in-room Internet" to mean "you get the hotel's > in-room Internet service, for free" which implies "you may have a hard > time getting it to work". But perhaps that should be stated more > clearly. > > Dale > > > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ > 72attendees mailing list > 72attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees > _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
- [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC Con… LANGE Andrew
- Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC… Balazs Lengyel
- [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (w… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Thomas Walsh
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Bill Fenner
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Eric Gray
- Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC… Paul Hoffman
- [72attendees] Found - YubiKey Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Thomas Froment
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dale Worley
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- [72attendees] Moving to social event gregory.cauchie
- Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event Francis Dupont
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Randall Gellens
- [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs (was… John C Klensin
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … John C Klensin
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Dale Worley
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ted Lemon
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ondřej Surý
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Patrik Fältström
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ondřej Surý