Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control)
"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> Tue, 29 July 2008 13:30 UTC
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As the host organizer for IETF 71, I can say from very recent experience that most people would be shocked by how many volunteers, how many hours of volunteer time, and, not least, how much money it takes to sponsor and to operate an IETF meeting - to say nothing of supporting organizations such as AMS. There is so much behind the scenes that people have no idea about, and there is months of advance preparation. It is an exceptionally large commitment of human resources and financial resources by a host like Alcatel-Lucent, and demonstrates a host's commitment to the IETF and what we all do here in a major way. So kudos to Alcatel-Lucent and any other future hosts of IETF meetings. While it's perfectly normal to expect a certain level of service and so on, and fix broken things, sometimes keeping things in perspective is a good thing as well. Regards Jason ________________________________ From: 72attendees-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Kurt Erik Lindqvist Sent: Tue 7/29/2008 5:18 AM To: Iljitsch van Beijnum Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (was Re:Guestroom Network not under NOC Control) On 29 jul 2008, at 10.41, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > On 29 jul 2008, at 0:07, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: > >> "the powers that be" are trying to optimize location / >> internationalization / the host that PAYs preferences to location > > The interesting thing is that the attendees ALSO pay for this. > > Now I understand that the IETF needs to get its funding where it can > find it, but it can hardly be a surprise that if you make two sets > of people pay for the same thing and optimize for the convenience of > one party, the other is unhappy. If you would have quoted a bit more of my email - I actually further said 'This equation is far from easy, '. The problem is that - as has been discussed at length at IETFs for a long time - the attendance fees, the host sponsorship and the contributions from ISOC, all pays for the meetings AND the secretariat. At trust me from the years on the IAOC - running the IETF is not a money making business. If we can't find hosts, the attendance fees would have to go up significantly. Add to that the the ROI in marketing for a hosts on sponsoring an IETF in the first place is miniscule. Add to it the all the negative comments from the IETFXX-lists and have that attached to your brand and the marketing value is negative. Personally I believe that we simply don't give the hosts (and the NOC volunteers) enough credit for stepping up to the task of organizing a meeting. Best regards, - kurtis - PS, as most people have seems to have missed or ignored Andrews mail - issues with the hotel network should go to the hotel, not the IETF list. _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
- [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC Con… LANGE Andrew
- Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC… Balazs Lengyel
- [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilities (w… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… GOLDMAN, STUART O (STUART)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Thomas Walsh
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Bill Fenner
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Eric Gray
- Re: [72attendees] Guestroom Network not under NOC… Paul Hoffman
- [72attendees] Found - YubiKey Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Lloyd Wood
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Thomas Froment
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dale Worley
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- [72attendees] Moving to social event gregory.cauchie
- Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event Francis Dupont
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ed Jankiewicz
- Re: [72attendees] Moving to social event Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Derek Atkins
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [72attendees] Clarifying Host Responsibilitie… Randall Gellens
- [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs (was… John C Klensin
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … John C Klensin
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs Dave Crocker
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Dale Worley
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ted Lemon
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs Joel Jaeggli
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ondřej Surý
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Patrik Fältström
- Re: [72attendees] Meeting arrangements and costs … Ondřej Surý