Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Food requirements
"Mary Barnes" <mary.barnes@nortel.com> Tue, 26 August 2008 18:13 UTC
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From: Mary Barnes <mary.barnes@nortel.com>
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Sure...the idea is for the information flow to go both ways. But in my experience, the burden of accomodating folks like us is really quite minimal if things are properly planned in advance. I also know of other SDOs that manage this quite well (e.g., providing kosher lunches separately and there are already accomodations for vegetarians when IETF provides lunch. It really is as simple as making the staff aware of the needs since the venues at which IETF holds meetings are typically the largest and most experienced available. Even in Dublin, once the staff was aware, accomodations were made - it just made Monday lunchtime particularly miserable and hectic for everyone (due to no advance planning - I had successfully eaten at the hotel, so didn't realize how constrained our lunch options would be) and for some of us, unless foods are labeled or servers are trained, we still can't eat it. I have no doubt that if everyone was impacted in such a way (i.e., no suitable meal for over 12 hours during the day) that folks would expect something to be done. And, as I've said before if IETF were to have a meeting at a location with no cookies or beer, there would certainly be far more complaints and concerns. And, the no nuts in the cookies folks were accomodated in the past. I do realize that for folks that don't have these limitations, the whole idea that this requires ANY discussion seems quite trite and whiny, but again my experience is that the difference in folks' attitudes about this changes TREMENDOUSLY when it impacts them personally or they have a family member that's impacted. I have already started looking into food options for Minneapolis and that's one of the things I will post on that list. Thanks, Mary Barnes. -----Original Message----- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:54 PM To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Food requirements Mary Barnes wrote: > The list is intended to provide a forum for discussion so that we > can understand one another's requirements and plan ahead for IETF > meetings by both preparing ourselves and the meeting planners." I hope the discussion distinguishes between defining the burden that is to be assumed by IETF meeting planners, versus private efforts by IETF meeting attendees. From a pragmatic standpoint, meeting planners cannot accommodate 100% of attendees' needs. So, striking a reasonable balance between the two is the interesting challenge. d/ ps. Having meetings placed in resource-rich venues, within walking distance of those resources, is an important way to accommodate diverse requirements... -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
- [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Fo… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Eric Gray
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes