Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up

Don't misquote me. I didn't say the t-shirt ruined the meeting, its just one
more point. But it is not true that enough information was provided, as they
didn't indicated that they will close the distribution of the t-shirts at a
given time, so in my case, I was not able to plan accordingly.

Is like if there is a decision to close down the cookies delivery 30 minutes
ahead of the plenary, without telling the participants. Will not be the end
of the world, but it will be one more disappointing issue.

Regards,
Jordi

> From: "Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)" <jonne.soininen@nsn.com>
> Reply-To: <jonne.soininen@nsn.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:10:27 +0300
> To: Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, "72attendees@ietf.org"
> <72attendees@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up
> 
> Jordi,
> 
> Like Ole said, the T-shirts are extra that the host may, or may not provide.
> I think we actually had a meeting without official T-shirts during my time
> in the IETF. I think it was in Australia. So, don't plan your wardrobe based
> on the IETF T-shirts.
> 
> T-shirt sizes are a black magic of its own. As the T-shirts are the
> responsibility of the host, the next host has to start from scratch and
> estimate the T-shirt size distribution if they don't get the last time's
> distribution. So, sometimes the size distribution might not be 100% correct.
> This has been the case always in the IETF.
> 
> This time, the host very clearly informed that the T-shirts are coming on
> Tuesday, and they also informed this list when they would be available. I
> think that was very good. I'm sure there were enough possibilities to get
> your T-shirt. 
> 
> I am sorry that your meeting was ruined by getting a wrong size T-shirt.
> Maybe for the next meeting, remember that you might want to be early for the
> T-shirts, if they are very important for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jonne.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/31/08 7:41 PM, "ext JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, its not quite recently, I think it has been like that for years.
>> 
>> And right, but if they host decide to provide something, I think it is clear
>> it should be done correctly, not in an unfair way, closing the table when
>> they decide, without a previous announcement.
>> 
>> Is not a matter of the value of the t-shirt, is a matter of being fair and
>> coherent. Which in my opinion this meeting proved we aren't too much in many
>> aspects, unfortunately I must say has been the worst meeting I ever
>> attended. Of course, a personal view.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
>>> Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole@cisco.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: Jordi Palet Martínez <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>
>>> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up
>>> 
>>> Jordi,
>>> 
>>> I am sure the T-shirt allocation and distribution could be improved,
>>> but I feel compelled to point out that it is NOT a requirement that
>>> the host provide the T-shirts. It is something they can choose to do.
>>> In the past, you only got a T-shirt if you paid for the social ticket,
>>> that has been extended to "everyone" more recently.
>>> 
>>> Ole
>>> 
>>> Ole J. Jacobsen
>>> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
>>> Cisco Systems
>>> Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
>>> E-mail: ole@cisco.com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure if this is done when doing the registration, but I recall in
>>>> some conference registration, asking the participant for the size of the
>>>> t-shirt, in order to do a better allocation of how many of each size are
>>>> required.
>>>> 
>>>> Usually I pick up my t-shirt in all the meetings when I do the registration
>>>> on Sunday. However this time it was not ready. So I tried to pick up the
>>>> t-shirt this week several times and the answer was always, "I'm sorry it is
>>>> too late today", "I'm sorry again is too late because we need to go to the
>>>> plenary" and so on ... Really unfair and bad service, specially because the
>>>> original message didn't indicated "you can pick-up it from xxx to yyy", so
>>>> we can organize ourselves in when doing so. I told them very clearly
>>>> "sorry,
>>>> if you want to provide the service and the t-shirt, do it correctly,
>>>> otherwise, better don't do it".
>>>> 
>>>> This morning I finally was able to get it, and suprise, only XL was
>>>> available, when my size is S, even some times XS. Clearly M, cold do, but L
>>>> or XL definitively not.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope we can do it much better next time and be fair with everybody.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jordi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Marcia Beaulieu <mbeaulieu@amsl.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:31:07 +0100
>>>>> To: <72attendees@ietf.org>
>>>>> Subject: [72attendees] 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up
>>>>> 
>>>>> The cut-off for t-shirt collection is 17:30 today (Thursday, July 31,
>>>>> 2008).  Please ensure you collect your shirt from the Alcatel-Lucent
>>>>> desk by that time. Only a limited stock of size XL still available.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There will be no t-shirt distribution on Friday.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please also feel free to pick up an event poster.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alcatel-Lucent
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