Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was: 72nd - T-shirt Pick Up)

Exactly. Just as an example of my bigger issue: Not being able to get
reasonable hot water in the bathroom for a week, and not having got a
reasonable solution from the hotel, and having got a cold because that (as I
really want to shower every morning and every night even with cold water if
no other way), is a very valid complain.

I really think it is stupid to ignore this kind of issue and even more silly
to keep saying "everything was wonderful". And I decided to send that to the
list unless I really saw there was no other way to sort out directly with
the hotel in the expectation that someone from the organization will push
them, indeed I got private messages of other folks with the same problem.

And please, note that despite some other folks perceptions, and don't use
those messages as complains, moreover as a mean to show what I believe is
not good enough, so we can correct it, either this time or next one.

I never said the meeting was not productive, but the number of cons,
compared with previous events, at least for me, was really *high*.

Regards,
Jordi

> From: Pete Resnick <presnick@qualcomm.com>
> Reply-To: <72attendees-bounces@ietf.org>
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:02:05 +0100
> To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com>
> Cc: <72attendees@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [72attendees] Some thanks (was:  72nd - T-shirt Pick Up)
> 
> On 8/1/08 at 1:16 AM -0700, Randall Gellens wrote:
> 
>> At 6:09 PM +0100 7/31/08, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>> 
>>> While I was not carried about on a litter with rose petals thrown
>>> in my path while faeries made sure that I was able to control any
>>> network for 80 kms around, and while the temperature was not
>>> controlled to my personal specification 24 hours a day
>>> 
>>> The only real sour note has been the discovery that so people
>>> normally live in a world completely arranged for their convenience.
>>> I'm envious.
>> 
>> Perhaps we're not on the same list.  I haven't seen any complaints
>> about anything even 10% as ridiculous or petty.  I've seen
>> reasonable requests for consideration of dietary needs, for example,
>> and complaints about networks that don't work, and such.
> 
> Yeah, we do seem to have a S/N problem here, and lousy noise filters.
> There were some real (reasonable) complaints about this meeting which
> instantly get swallowed up in a sea of "howls of horror and disgust".
> Then we get a series of "everything was wonderful" messages, which
> some folks will read as, "all of the complainers were loons". And
> then, of course, we had silence at the IAOC plenary.
> 
> The IAOC has to (unfortunately) filter through both sets of silliness
> and find the actual problems that occurred during the meeting (and
> there were problems; more than some meetings, less than others).
> Hopefully some of the more reasonable folks can send calm
> constructive messages to the IAOC expressing those, avoiding comments
> about the crimes against humanity they may or may not have committed.
> 
> pr
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