Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Food requirements
"Mary Barnes" <mary.barnes@nortel.com> Tue, 26 August 2008 19:16 UTC
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From: Mary Barnes <mary.barnes@nortel.com>
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Actually, in the U.S., celiac, for example (and I believe diabetes) is covered by the American Disabilities Act (section 504), since it substantially limits the "major life activity" of eating. So, while IETF no longer receives government funding as far as I'm aware, it was my understanding the organization in general follows the spirit of the law. I also think it's important that folks are aware that at least for the medical restrictions, we are talking about a "need" and not a "want". Since cookies are considered a requirement per the IETF Tao, it's important to consider that for some of us it's not that we "want" gluten-free or sugar-free cookies, but if we were to eat cookies, we would "need" gluten-free or sugar-free ones. My personal opinion is that when we stay at full service hotels, then we should expect full service (i.e., we're at a Hilton and not a Hampton Inn). And, per the law in the U.S. hotels are required to support the ADA act: http://www.ada.gov/hsurvey.htm Regards, Mary -----Original Message----- From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:43 PM To: Barnes, Mary (RICH2:AR00) Cc: 72attendees@ietf.org Subject: Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Food requirements Mary, Given the diversity of IETF participation, we can be assured that there are representatives for almost any point of view. So, yes, I'm sure that some folks have no empathy or sympathy for the plight of others with culinary constraints. But I think it is clear that that is not a dominant, or even significant, constituency within the IETF. Rather, I believe the issue is merely one of practicality. Some needs are easily accommodated. Some are not. Where more information is needed, the kind of discussion you are planning could be quite helpful. But there are practical limits. Limited resources and priorities to juggle. That's why I ended by noting the considerable strategic benefit that accrues from placing the IETF somewhere with rich local resources: It can offload the IETF machinery from some considerable burdens. No matter how accommodating a hotel's staff might wish to be it, too, has resource constraints. d/ Mary Barnes wrote: > I have no doubt that if everyone was impacted in such a way (i.e., no > suitable meal for over 12 hours during the day) that folks would > expect ... > I do realize that for folks that don't have these limitations, the > whole idea that this requires ANY discussion seems quite trite and > whiny, but ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave CROCKER [mailto:dhc@dcrocker.net] ... > So, striking a reasonable balance between the two is the interesting > challenge. > > d/ > > ps. Having meetings placed in resource-rich venues, within walking > distance of those resources, is an important way to accommodate > diverse requirements... > -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net _______________________________________________ 72attendees mailing list 72attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/72attendees
- [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IETF Fo… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Eric Gray
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Ray Pelletier
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Ole Jacobsen
- Re: [72attendees] New mailing list to discuss IET… Mary Barnes