Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@iformata.com> Fri, 05 December 2008 14:15 UTC
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From: Marshall Eubanks <marshall.eubanks@iformata.com>
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Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country
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On Dec 5, 2008, at 8:53 AM, Roni Even wrote: > This may work for one night, but try doing it a whole week, this is > like not > being home for the whole time. It would be worse in my opinion. I do a lot of work with India (10.5 hours from the US East Coast), so I have some experience here. A few hours per day on the phone starting at 5:00 AM EST (== 3:30 PM IST), sure. 8 hours per day for a week starting at 10:30 PM EST would be very problematic. Jet-lag is tough when you IN a new time zone, with the Sun telling you when it is day. It is impossible (for me, at least) when you are NOT in the new time zone. For example, right now the morning Sun is pouring through the windows, and if the IETF was meeting in India I should be going to bed. Plus, many people have home or office environments where there are disruptions at certain times of day (e.g., kids getting ready for school) that are hard to avoid if you are present. Whenever I attend a interim meeting or something similar remotely I miss pieces of them due to this. I should point out that Cisco, Polycom and Tandberg all send people to the IETF and all have sets of Telepresence demo / rental suites around the planet. Going to such a facility for a remote meeting would be very attractive to me if it was within a reasonable distance and would be an effective form of sponsorship in kind IMO. Given the likely time zone differences, some cots would be useful too. Regards Marshall > > I have the experience of leaving in a time zone that is 10 hours > ahead of > the US west coast. Joining a whole day meeting on the west coast meant > starting at 19:00 (9:00 AM on west coast) and going till 4 or 5 AM. > This is > not what I will call a reasonable meeting from my part. I was able > to do it > for one day in order not to travel but for 5 days I preferred the > travel. > This is not taking into account the user experience of joining from > remote a > meeting were a large group was sitting in the same room and had better > interaction (I support Brian Rosen view on this) > Roni Even > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melinda Shore [mailto:mshore@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM > To: Andrew Allen; ron.even.tlv@gmail.com; Scott W Brim; mellon@fugue.com > Cc: 73attendees@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [73attendees] Attendance by country > > On 12/4/08 4:31 PM, "Andrew Allen" <aallen@rim.com> wrote: >> It just don't work! > > Are you sure? I got up for the Seoul meeting and for the > Dublin meeting and I found that for me it was a lot easier > than dealing with jetlag. If nothing else I could shuffle > into the kitchen and get myself some decent coffee whenever > I felt like it instead of having to wait for breaks. > > Somebody's going to be inconvenienced no matter what. Let's > start with that as a given. > > Melinda > > _______________________________________________ > 73attendees mailing list > 73attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees _______________________________________________ 73attendees mailing list 73attendees@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/73attendees
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