Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:

> Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
>> qdang@nist.gov wrote:
>>> I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
>>> people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
>>> the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
>>> be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next  
>>> year
>>> alone.
>>
>> thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic prejudice at  
>> the
>> us government level that should preclude ietf being held in the  
>> united
>> states.
>
> How would you solve the problem?  Let 100 million people in on false
> pretenses?  I'm not going to defend the behavior of the US government,
> but I want you to admit that US immigration has a difficult problem.
> Slinging labels around doesn't help.

Remember, the IETF is NOT special.  There are tens of thousands of  
conferences, and they are all pretty much need-to-be-treated equal.   
If the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference attendees, you  
would have no immigration controls, period, as this would be a big  
enough loophole to fly an A380 through.

The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people are really  
affected by this?

We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not holding IETF  
meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective.

And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can strongly  
argue that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where a visa is not  
required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian citizens.

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