Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

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employer.

>From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced by Chinese citizens.
Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa agreements with the US.
China however doesn't have that agreement with Ireland, Sweden, Japan, or
the US. Were there similar problems with gaining entrance into Ireland? Will
there be similar issues with gaining entrance into Sweden or Japan?

Dave

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver
<nweaver@icsi.berkeley.edu>wrote;wrote:

>
> On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
>
>  Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 10:39:57AM -0600:
>>
>>> qdang@nist.gov wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe our US government would like to grant visas to as many
>>>> people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend a meeting in
>>>> the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can imagine there will
>>>> be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting in CA next year
>>>> alone.
>>>>
>>>
>>> thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic prejudice at the
>>> us government level that should preclude ietf being held in the united
>>> states.
>>>
>>
>> How would you solve the problem?  Let 100 million people in on false
>> pretenses?  I'm not going to defend the behavior of the US government,
>> but I want you to admit that US immigration has a difficult problem.
>> Slinging labels around doesn't help.
>>
>
> Remember, the IETF is NOT special.  There are tens of thousands of
> conferences, and they are all pretty much need-to-be-treated equal.  If the
> US gave effectively carte blanch to conference attendees, you would have no
> immigration controls, period, as this would be a big enough loophole to fly
> an A380 through.
>
> The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people are really
> affected by this?
>
> We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not holding IETF meetings
> in a terrorist country" is not effective.
>
> And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can strongly argue
> that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where a visa is not required
> for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian citizens.
>
>
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