Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

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From: "Ole Jacobsen" <ole@cisco.com>
To: <dcrocker@bbiw.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

> 
> Dave,
> 
> The IAOC is aware of the situation with respect to visas for visitors 
> from mainland China at this particular IETF meeting. Generally 
> speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
> reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.

You are right. We can not get a reply at all. Most persons applied the visa in Sep.(almost 2 months in advance of the ietf meeting ).  As a rule of Visa office,
we can not check the status from the visa office during the period of our application. The only answer they will say is  "just wait, when the visa is available, you will get a notice. "  Normally, when the ietf meeting begins, sometimes we will get a call from visa office, which said "sorry since the meeting has already began, we can not issue the visa to you this time. pls apply it next time."

> 
> We are not sure what happened this time, but we believe the "no reply" 
> rate was much higher than normal and we will be working with various
> parties to try to make this easier in the future.

thanks.

> 
> It's worth noting that the visa situation for most countries in the 
> world is by no means "static" so it's not just as simple as picking
> a list of venues with the most favorable visa situation, as this may
> have changed by the time we get round to having the meeting --- which,
> as you know, we try to schedule as far in advance as possible, in
> the 1 - 2 year range.
> 
> As for being "dragged into politics," this is unfortunately not easy
> to avoid either. I probably don't need to mention the three^H^H^H^H^Hone
> China issue for example.
> 
> Ole (IAOC Meetings subcommittee chair)
> 
> Ole J. Jacobsen 
> Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
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> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>>
>> It's not a matter of being dragged into politics.  (Or at least, it shouldn't
>> be.)
>> 
>> It's essentially an engineering task of working to maximize the ability of
>> people to attend IETF meetings, by looking for venues where visa processing is
>> the least problematic.
>> 
>> That does not mean "no visas" or anything else simplistic, except that border
>> controls do not impose undue and unpredictable barriers.
>> 
>> d/
>> -- 
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