Re: [73attendees] Is USAqualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

["DRAGE, Keith \(Keith\)" <[e-mail]>]

You can find document statistics here which detail where the authors of
our life and blood come from:

http://www.arkko.com/tools/docstats

Take a look at the one for authors of current drafts here:

http://www.arkko.com/tools/stats/d-countryeudistr.html

Could not find the meeting participation statistics, although I am sure
they are lurking somewhere.

regards

Keith 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] 
> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Livingood, Jason
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:56 PM
> To: Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo); ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao
> Cc: [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is 
> USAqualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
> 
> I recall stats from IETF 71 (which may be out of date).  I 
> believe at that time, 48% of attendees were from the U.S.  
> Next was Japan with 9%, then China with 5.7%.  If I recall 
> correctly, this was a good number of attendees from China, 
> but I do not know how that compared to IETF 72 or to IETF 73. 
>  Is the visa issue for visitors from all countries coming to 
> the U.S., or is this specific to Chinese citizens coming to the U.S.
> 
> Jason 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] 
> On Behalf 
> > Of Soininen Jonne (NSN FI/Espoo)
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:28 PM
> > To: ext Joel Jaeggli; Yi Zhao
> > Cc: 'David Quigley'; [e-mail]; 'Nicholas Weaver'; 
> > [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: [73attendees] Is USA
> > qualifiedfor2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
> > 
> > Hi everybody,
> > 
> > In the IAOC, we have followed the visa situation for 
> different nations 
> > closely. It is obviously in the benefit for the IETF to 
> have all the 
> > participants that want and need to come to the IETF could also come.
> > 
> > Historically, the IETF community has indicated the preference of 
> > having a big part of the meetings in the North American 
> region. This 
> > makes us often come to the USA. Traditionally a major part of the 
> > participation is from the North American region.
> > 
> > Of course, we should periodically check this policy, and 
> also follow 
> > the visa situation very carefully.
> > 
> > I think it would be good for people that were trying to come to the 
> > IETF and couldn't to tell the IAD or me what happened.
> > Accurate data is very important.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Jonne.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/18/08 10:08 PM, "ext Joel Jaeggli" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Yi Zhao wrote:
> > >> Based on my knowledge, for Chinese citizens there is no
> > any problem
> > >> to get the visa to other countries except US.
> > > 
> > > I know for a fact that several of your countrymen have 
> had trouble 
> > > obtaining visas for other recent IETF destinations.
> > > 
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> ---
> > >> 
> > >> *From:* [e-mail] 
> > >> [mailto:[e-mail]] *On Behalf Of 
> *David Quigley
> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:56 PM
> > >> *To:* Nicholas Weaver
> > >> *Cc:* [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified 
> > >> for2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> Disclaimer: What I say here are my words and don't represent the 
> > >> views of my employer.
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> From what I see here the issues are mostly experienced 
> by Chinese 
> > >> citizens. Most of the other countries have reciprocal visa
> > agreements
> > >> with the US. China however doesn't have that agreement
> > with Ireland,
> > >> Sweden, Japan, or the US. Were there similar problems 
> with gaining 
> > >> entrance into Ireland? Will there be similar issues with gaining 
> > >> entrance into Sweden or Japan?
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> Dave
> > >> 
> > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Nicholas Weaver 
> > >> <[e-mail]
> > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>     Excerpts from Randy Bush on Tue, Nov 18, 2008 
> 10:39:57AM -0600:
> > >> 
> > >>     [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >>     I believe our US government would like to grant visas
> > to as many
> > >>     people as they can. However, if anyone wants to attend
> > a meeting in
> > >>     the US is granted a visa to come here, then I can
> > imagine there will
> > >>     be 100 million visa applications for the IETF meeting
> > in CA next year
> > >>     alone.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>     thank you for demonstrating so clearly the jingoistic
> > prejudice at the
> > >>     us government level that should preclude ietf being
> > held in the united
> > >>     states.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>     How would you solve the problem?  Let 100 million
> > people in on false
> > >>     pretenses?  I'm not going to defend the behavior of
> > the US government,
> > >>     but I want you to admit that US immigration has a
> > difficult problem.
> > >>     Slinging labels around doesn't help.
> > >> 
> > >>  
> > >> 
> > >> Remember, the IETF is NOT special.  There are tens of 
> thousands of 
> > >> conferences, and they are all pretty much
> > need-to-be-treated equal.  
> > >> If the US gave effectively carte blanch to conference
> > attendees, you
> > >> would have no immigration controls, period, as this 
> would be a big 
> > >> enough loophole to fly an A380 through.
> > >> 
> > >> The Visa issue in the US is serious, but how many people
> > are really
> > >> affected by this?
> > >> 
> > >> We need hard data, because the notion of simply "not 
> holding IETF 
> > >> meetings in a terrorist country" is not effective.
> > >> 
> > >> And if you want to do Visa issues as a criteria, you can 
> strongly 
> > >> argue that all IETF meeting SHOULD be in a country where 
> a visa is 
> > >> not required for travel for EU, US, Japanese, and Canadian
> > citizens.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
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