Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

[Fred Baker <[e-mail]>]

The folks to contact are the IAOC. The IETF Chair is on the IAOC.

As to visa issues, as Randy opines, the issue tends to be visa  
processing. Depending on country pair, there are interesting issues  
around the globe. The US Embassies in China and Russia seem to not  
have IETF attendance on their list of important events for the Chinese  
or Russians to attend - or anything else that happens in the US. Last  
year, when I was asked to speak at RANS and specifically speak on a  
panel chaired by the Colonel-General that runs Department K  
(cybercrime) of the Russian police, the FSB decided that they needed  
to look at my visa application, and calmly told me that the  
announcement would come on the day that I was to speak. We could  
discuss, as someone else mentioned in this thread, the gymnastics  
necessary to enter China last summer; I visited in June, August, and  
October, and went through some serious dance steps each time.

We could discuss the various countries in the middle east, or what  
folks in Asia often call "western asia"; 'nuff said. And then there is  
China vs Taiwan, regardless of how you parse the Taiwan Straits issue.

I would be hesitant to drag the IETF into world politics; the law of  
Unintended Consequences was invented to describe politics, I think.

On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Gene Gaines wrote:

> Two points:
>
> 1)  As a U.S. citizen, I apologize for the statement made on this  
> thread
>      by [e-mail].  I quietly suggest to all that it be ignored.
>
>      I am he misspoke -- perhaps the laptop slipped in his lap at  
> IETF73.
>
> 2)  Again as a U.S. citizen, I will contact the IETF Chair and ISOC  
> management
>      to volunteer to assist in resolving the issue of IETF meeting  
> attendance.
>
>      There is substantially less of a problem here than most  
> realize.  The real
>      issue is certainty -- the IETF needs to obtain clear  
> instructions, obtain the
>      cooperation of U.S. government officials so that people from  
> any country
>      can know well in advance AND WITH CERTAINTY the process of  
> applying
>      for and obtaining authorization for attending an IETF meeting  
> anywhere in
>      the world.
>
>      If this cannot be accomplished, then the IETF should not meet  
> in that
>      country.
>
> Gene Gaines
> Sterling, Virginia USA
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Melinda Shore <[e-mail]>  
> wrote:
> On 11/18/08 2:16 PM, "Randy Bush" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >> How would you solve the problem?
> > hold the meetings in non-terrorist countries.  i.e. not the united  
> states.
>
> I don't know what that means.  Canada, for example, is a peacekeeper
> nation that requires visas for entry from countries from which there  
> are
> many IETF participants (India, China).  Is the issue the visa  
> requirement
> itself or is it how visas are processed?
>
> Melinda
>
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