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Re: [73attendees] Is USA qualified for 2.3ofdraft-palet-ietf-meeting-venue-selection-criteria?

Dave CROCKER <dhc2@dcrocker.net> Thu, 20 November 2008 17:04 UTC

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Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> speaking, applicants are NOT refused visas, they just don't get a
> reply (or a visa) in time and they may never get a reply at all.

The key point is that there was a pattern of failure to get a visa.  To me, the 
remaining details are purely secondary.


> We are not sure what happened this time, but we believe the "no reply" 
> rate was much higher than normal and we will be working with various
> parties to try to make this easier in the future.

My concern is with hearing about a pattern of problems over the last several 
years, for people from a range of countries.  The issue is not specific to this 
meeting or a single country.

Added to this, of course, is that in the last few years, the U.S. has lost its 
Most Favored Nation status as a travel destination

No venue will be perfect, but among the complex mix of factors affecting choice 
of IETF meeting sites, travel hassles that include government bureaucracy and 
social (dis)favor ought to be included, to the extent that we have evidence they 
affect attendance.

d/
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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net
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