Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

Donald Eastlake <> Sat, 01 August 2009 20:47 UTC

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Just be sure they are labeled "Reprint".

 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-634-2066 (home)
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:40 AM, James M. Polk<> wrote:
> This is a cool design, I agree.
> With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the devaluation of
> the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be distributed to
> any/many folks that did not attend an IETF.
> There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most notably is
> the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., IETF47 in
> Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) the most popular
> IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare I?  ;-)  that this is a very
> popular design.
> So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the purity
> that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that particular IETF
> meeting.
> I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather large
> man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size that fits my
> wife or daughter.  But the idea that there is one per paid attendee remains.
> I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the next step
> to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might be being too
> pessimistic...
> James
> BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the event
> sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who might believe
> they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales.
> At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote:
>> I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to
>> clarify here for all.
>> Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San Francisco
>> T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the IETF Trust. This
>> was done because a) many people wanted to buy more of these shirts, b) the
>> IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling those requests.
>> We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6
>> transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool way .
>> The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court.
>> Hope it helps, and enjoy,
>> the Juniper host team from IETF74
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++
>> IETF-related email from
>> Gregory M. Lebovitz
>> Juniper Networks
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