Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

"Knight, Frederick" <> Sat, 01 August 2009 21:17 UTC

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Not to be a stickler for detail (this isn't an RFC afterall).

But, the DEC Unix group was in New Hampshire, and the State motto of New
Hampshire is "Live Free or Die".  Just to give credit where credit is

Funny to think of those poor folks in the prisons making the State
License plates with that Motto written on them.

	Fred Knight

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave CROCKER [] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 3:23 AM
To: Fred Baker
Subject: Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

Fred Baker wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:40 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
>> this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?"
> That is something the Trust would have to think about. What we had 
> been considering was literally licensing a t-shirt company to print 
> the designs and enabling IETFers to order them.

With regard to the concern about losing the sense of special uniqueness,
having gotten an original memento *at the event*, the history of the
license plate might be helpful.

The first time the Unix meeting was large (400 people?) was in Santa
Monica and 
the DEC point of contact got up to do his usual presentation, saying
first he 
wanted to comment on the constant request that DEC provide Unix
licenses.  (Bell 
provided the licenses, since it was their software, and DEC just sold
hardware; so folks wanted one-stop shopping.)

Armando said that he was finally able to say that DEC could offer a Unix

license.  He then bent down and held up a license plate that sayd "Unix"
on it, 
purporting to be from Vermont ("live free or die").

This was, of course, a huge success.  So DEC's marketing folks wanted to
do it 
again and, I am told, the DEC Unix group said they would not permit
this, that 
it had been a one-time special.

The compromise was that the license plate was in fact produced again,
but in a 
different color.

This idea of making the follow-on version have key differences from the 
original, without losing the essence, might help here.


   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
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