Re: [75attendees] IETF74 T-Shirt Art Donated to IETF Trust

"James M. Polk" <> Sat, 01 August 2009 04:41 UTC

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This is a cool design, I agree.

With that said, I think a discussion needs to occur on the 
devaluation of the importance of what the shirt means - were it to be 
distributed to any/many folks that did not attend an IETF.

There have been several other cool designs from IETFs past, most 
notably is the one that the IETF refused to have a shirt for (i.e., 
IETF47 in Adelaide). I think that's still (for those who attended) 
the most popular IETF shirt. I'll give Juniper credit (dare 
I?  ;-)  that this is a very popular design.

So, this is a choice between "how can the IETF get money?" vs. the 
purity that those that have an IETF shirt actually went to that 
particular IETF meeting.

I realize this "purity" isn't really purity, given that I'm a rather 
large man, and sometimes they don't have my size, so I get a size 
that fits my wife or daughter.  But the idea that there is one per 
paid attendee remains.

I fear that advertising ("Joe's Bar/Grill & ISP") will become the 
next step to gain revenue goals if we go down this path, but I might 
be being too pessimistic...


BTW - I hate for this whole idea to devolve into this scenario -- the 
event sponsor will sell the design of the shirt to the IETF, who 
might believe they can earn more that it cost (sponsor fee plus COGS) in sales.

At 02:49 AM 7/31/2009, Gregory M. Lebovitz wrote:
>I have been asked about this several times this week, so I'd like to 
>clarify here for all.
>Juniper has donated the art for the highly popular IETF74 San 
>Francisco T-shirt (brown, IPv6 World Tour, "concert" concept) to the 
>IETF Trust. This was done because a) many people wanted to buy more 
>of these shirts, b) the IETF expressed an interest in fulfilling 
>those requests.
>We hope this art can be leveraged to spread the message about IPv6 
>transition broadly across the Internet community, in a fun and cool 
>way . The ball is now in Ray (and team's) court.
>Hope it helps, and enjoy,
>the Juniper host team from IETF74
>IETF-related email from
>Gregory M. Lebovitz
>Juniper Networks
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