Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment
Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com> Mon, 09 November 2009 00:17 UTC
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Nothing like data to make a point! Thanks. On Nov 9, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > A remark to those who take a militant libertarian view of Net > Neutrality, and those of ledbat and tcpm who have difficulty > understanding why transports should tune to the knee (just enough of > data outstanding, aka cwnd, to maintain the maximum goodput) as > opposed to the cliff (the knee plus the maximum depth of the > bottleneck queue, at which point throughput has not increased but > loss has increased). > > Saturday night, as I do many nights that I spend at hotels, I ran a > ping study to characterize the network. It was obviously massively > overprovisioned - it was difficult to register RTT variance in > excess of a millisecond trans-pacific between Japan and the US. I > did this again last night. The network behavior as measured from my > room was equally stable until about 11:58 PM; at that point, someone > fired up something huge, my guess being something that uses > bittorrent, delay dramatically increased, and my VPN went down > within a couple of minutes. When this happens, customers call ISPs > and ISPs start throttling applications, because the applications are > doing horrible things to the ISPs' customers. > > The attached are a case in point. > > > > <Hiroshima-room-Sunday-8-Nov-2009-reduced.xlsx.pdf><Hiroshima-room- > Saturday-7-Nov-2009-reduced.xlsx.pdf><Hiroshima-room-Saturday-7- > Nov-2009-reduced.xlsx.pdf> > > _______________________________________________ > 76attendees mailing list > 76attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/76attendees
- [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Eric Burger
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Richard Barnes
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Tony Li
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Ted Lemon
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Richard Barnes
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Alissa Cooper
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Dale Worley
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Jason Livingood