Re: [76attendees] How to pronounce "Hiroshima"

Dae Young KIM <dykim6@gmail.com> Fri, 06 November 2009 13:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [76attendees] How to pronounce "Hiroshima"
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Since we're geeking out about this, as non-Japanese who likes languages
> ... "hiro" and "shima" are etymologically two separate words.  If
> "shima" appeared on its own the "shi" would be stressed.  However, there
> is a tendency in Japanese to almost elide the "i" when "shi" appears
> after the beginning of a word, and through use that tendency has come to
> dominate the original meaning.
>

Another way of looking at the issue is that... I think accent really doesn't
matter much in the Japanese language... in contrast to English, if I'm
right. You put an accent at a wrong vowel in an English word, you won't be
understood. But not quite the same with Japanese.  Wrong accent might be
more of dialect. There's no strict sense of accent as I know.

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Regards,

DY
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