[78attendees] We gotta stop meeting like this (was: We'll meet again...)
Andrew Sullivan <ajs@shinkuro.com> Thu, 12 August 2010 18:37 UTC
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Subject: [78attendees] We gotta stop meeting like this (was: We'll meet again...)
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Ok, the subject is too strong for what I really want to say, but I couldn't resist. Sorry. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 01:21:13PM -0400, Ted Lemon wrote: > > But my own experience at least is that if I get that crazily > involved with that many working groups, I wind up being ineffective > in the working groups I came to the meeting to participate in. That sounds like it's skirting the territorry in which the benefits of having a Big Giant Meeting are wearing off. And given the number of bits that are spilled after every meeting noting the large number of deficiencies with the most recent venue (or responding with "worked for me"), I am also starting to wonder whether the benefits of the supposed cross-pollination are worth the cost. As a single bit of information (keeping in mind that the plural of anecdote is not "data"), we DNSEXT chairs tried very hard this time to have a session especially dedicated to those application and other people -- the consumers of the DNS -- to tell us whether we're even approaching the mark on a bit of work that we've been contemplating taking on. We held a one hour session just for this. We announced it, and sent an extra note to the apps-discuss list in the hopes of drumming up interest. Nothin' doin'. When I looked out over the faces in the room on Wednesday morning, I saw an awful lot of familiar faces. And at the mic, I heard only familiar voices. Same in the jabber room. So how much "cross-pollination" is there, anyway? Maybe the problem is with the very idea of three IETF meetings a year, and we could solve a lot of the complaints by focussing on areas or specific WGs or something. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@shinkuro.com Shinkuro, Inc.
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