Re: [81attendees] diverse meeting locations (was: are we getting complacent? Good job!)

[Randall Gellens <[e-mail]>]

At 3:31 PM +0000 8/9/11, Curtis Villamizar wrote:

>  I think this would be counterproductive.  It would increase the 
> incentive to send people just for the sake of sending more bodies.

Yes, that part is there is drive the revenue side.  But, the vast 
majority of them would be sent to "network" and have the company 
listed early in the congratulatory press release, and they'd have 
"basic entry" registration, so no WG or BOF sessions.  This reduces 
"tourists" in sessions.

>  One of the reasons IETF used to work so well is that no one cared 
> about it except the people doing real work on something.

Very true, but we can't de-commercialize the Internet, can we?


>   > -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Randall Gellens [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:56 PM
>>  To: John C Klensin; Curtis Villamizar
>>  Cc: [e-mail]
>>  Subject: Re: [81attendees] diverse meeting locations (was: are we
>>  getting complacent? Good job!)
>>
>>  At 7:43 PM -0400 8/8/11, John C Klensin wrote:
>>
>>  >  the only
>>  >  thing total attendance figures are good for is the P/L
>>  >  statement.  That is legitimate and important to the IAOC, but
>>  >  has little to do with effective IETF functioning
>>  >
>>  >  Unless your point is that almost nothing we do is likely to make
>>  >  more than about 300 or 400 difference in total attendees no
>>  >  matter what we do and where we go.  If so, I'd tend to agree
>>  >  with that, at least within very broad limits, but note that a
>>  >  drop of a few hundred attendees for several meetings in a row
>>  >  could have really nasty effects on the budget.
>>
>>  So, we need a way to encourage the core of people who are interested
>>  in doing work, plus maybe also enough casual attendees that we prop
>>  up the revenue side of the budget, and for companies to pay for
>>  people to go, and while we're at it, maybe we can also mitigate the
>>  problem of rooms too crowded with "IETF tourists" for people
>>  interested in doing work to get in?  Something along the lines of:
>>
>>	- Meetings in Hawaii and other desirable locales
>>	- A lower "basic entry" registration fee which gets one in to the
>>  reception, social, and plenary
>>	- A higher "hard core" registration fee allowing unlimited entry
>>  to all WGs and BOFs
>>	- A "premier facilitator" discount for companies registering 10,
>>  20, 30 attendees
>>	- A "valiant contributor" discount on an individual registration
>>  fees based on number of RFCs published as author, editor,
>>  contributor, or acknowledgement
>>	- Press releases for each meeting with names of companies paying
>>  for people to attend, (in order of how much they paid total)
>>  congratulating them for helping progress the future of the Internet
>>
>>  --
>>  Randall Gellens
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