Re: [81attendees] New Requirement for US Employees traveling to Canada
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 10 July 2011 04:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [81attendees] New Requirement for US Employees traveling to Canada
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--On Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:44 -0500 Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> wrote: > What's curious about that email from CIBT is that they do not > provide any links to substantiate that new requirement. This > website has no mention of such: > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/apply-who.asp > > It does note that you must > ... > > - satisfy an immigration officer that you have ties, such > as a job, home and family, that will take you back to your >... FWIW, I use CIBT for most of the times when I need a visa and like working with them. But I've found that they often impose requirements and make recommendations that go well beyond what is nominally required and into "let's be prepared for every eventuality". That means documentation for visas that exceed what consulates say they need to be prepared for what they "might" ask for and so on. Wanting people to carry the sort of letter they have advised as a quick way to deal with the set of "satisfy whomever you talk with in the immigration service" questions that Mary found and lists would be entirely consistent with that pattern: probably rarely, if ever, necessary but convenient and time-saving if someone has a nervous sort of day and starts asking a lot of questions. If I were inclined to get nervous about such things, I might decide to carry such a letter. If someone here decides that is worthwhile, I'd suggest that having it in French as well as English would be an extra precaution. Beyond that, I can only repeat what others have said -- my experience has been that, if you make it clear what you are going to a professional standards meeting, that you have a real job and life to return to, that you are not carrying a sample case full of merchandise, etc., and the likelihood of a problem are very, very, low. john
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