RE: Line Wrapping Question
"Sukvinder Singh Gill (Exchange)" <sukvg@wspu.microsoft.com> Wed, 07 February 1996 19:58 UTC
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From: "Sukvinder Singh Gill (Exchange)" <sukvg@wspu.microsoft.com>
To: "'Donald E. Eastlake 3rd'" <dee@cybercash.com>
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Subject: RE: Line Wrapping Question
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Our UAs support soft line breaks, so its to handle the paragraph case. -Suki >---------- >From: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd[SMTP:dee@cybercash.com] >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 1996 10:52 AM >To: Sukvinder Singh Gill (Exchange) >Cc: ietf-822@list.cren.net >Subject: Re: Line Wrapping Question > >Hi, > >On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Sukvinder Singh Gill (Exchange) >wrote: >> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:31:18 -0800 >> From: Sukvinder Singh Gill (Exchange) <sukvg@wspu.MICROSOFT.com> >> To: "ietf-822@list.cren.net" <ietf-822@list.cren.net> >> Subject: Line Wrapping Question >> >> I'd like to get some advice on a problem that many people >> using our product have commented on. >> >> Currently, when sending Internet Mail with long lines, we >> default to using QP encoding so that MIME aware clients >> can unwrap the lines, and display as required on their >> viewers. (We use 140chars as the threshold) > >You don't say much about the environment you are >opperating in. Why are >you encountering very long lines? If it is because the >message is the >output of a text editing system that assumes soft >wrapping and where a >real new line character represents a paragraph, that's >one thing. If the >problem is that most of the stuff is short but you have >one or two lines >at the begining of the message that are unwrapped 822 >headers from a >forwarded message, that's a completely different story. > >> We have received numerous complaints (most people assumed >> that this was a bug) from people that use non-MIME aware >> apps about the equal signs on every line. >> >> I thought about this for awhile, and hoped the issue may >> be resolved by using a prologue informing people that this >> message was a MIME message, and they may see some >> irregular things in it. Therefore every message that we >> send, is sent using the multipart type, so that we could >> use the prologue. > >I would like to be able to recommend that you just go >with MIME but if >the basic problem is lack of MIME support, then using >another MIME >feature (multi-part in addition to QP) probably won't >solve your problem >of perception. > >> This is catch22, since people complained about the use of >> multipart, even when we could have sent just text/plain >> messages. (They also complained about the contents of the >> prologue, but thats another issue) > >? Surely you could make the use of the multipart also >conditional on >there being long lines. The prolog is good in that you >can give a >message saying you are using MIME that won't be seen or >get in the way >for MIME capable MUAs. > >> I see the choices for our product as follows, and would >> like your feedback on what you consider the right choice, >> or suggestions on doing something better. >> >> a)We provide an option to hard wrap lines, therefore we >> don't use QP encoding to deal with the line wrapping issue >> at all. >> i.e. CTE is 7-bit unless QP is required for some other >> reason > >Options are good. An option to hard wrap seems useful. >(Although if >there are only one or two long lines out of many, QP >should not be >objectionable...) > >> b) We just hard wrap without an option even when using QP >> (An option is probably a good thing to turn this to use QP >> wrapping) >> >> c) We leave things the way they are. >> >> d) We don't send the prologue, and hope that the world >> will move to MIME, and this becomes a non-issue. > >I think the world is moving to MIME, although gradually, >so it will >eventually become a non-issue, but your customers are >complaining now. >The user based and organization environments probably >vary so much that >one or more options is probably the only way to do. > >> I really only consider option a, or b as viable for our >> user population, but I'll wait to hear back from people >> before I commit. >> >> Thanks, >> -Suki >> >> Sukvinder S. Gill >> Microsoft Corporation >> E-Mail - sukvg@microsoft.com >> Tel: 206-936-9761 > >Donald >========================================================== >=========== >Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 508-287-4877(tel) >dee@cybercash.com > 318 Acton Street +1 508-371-7148(fax) >dee@world.std.com >Carlisle, MA 01741 USA +1 703-620-4200(main office, >Reston, VA) >http://www.cybercash.com >http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html > >
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